I wanted to know if anyone had any good ideas on ways to train for vehicle accidents.

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Comment by SMOKEnPipesJim on September 5, 2008 at 1:21am
and dont forget opportunities to look at trucks and tractor trailers as part of the senerios.. chances areyouwill find a car under one someday, even of you dont have interstate in your back yard... I grew up responding to Interstate 95 in an area of Connecticut near the rhode island Border Nostof that stretch is pretty rural in fact coming out of Metro Providence RI youhave about 50 miles of sticks and rightat our exit is the beginning of civilization again LIGHTs and "stuff to look at " southbound a hill about two miles long often gets iced up from the wind blowing up the river valley we had a blizzard in like '88 that in a 26 hour period I drove the engine to 36 tractor trailer jackknives I have a photo somewhere of me shoveling sand under a spill My buddy Craig with the state dot had to shovel into the spreader which froze on him the airtemp was 26 below with the wind chill.. lol In the citym I got rolled out of bed one early am for an MVA on the connector *Limited access highway and a guy in a caddy rear ended a gasoline tanker which was empty and heading to the depot to load it was rainy and slick, and a guy getting on at exit 2 pulled outand across IFO the tanker to go North on the highway he applyed his brakes but the reverand in the caddy didnt .. and the Trailer wheels were actually On his hood!! Gas vapor ladened * 8000 gallon liquid capacity trailer...Thankfully No one, not even the reverand was injured we stood by untl the trailer was removed (driven down) off his hood and the tanker was able to drive away that has to have been the luckiest situation possible ... But I began thinking water supply from city mains above , special calling companies, special calling foam, evacuation of Numerous hi rise dwellings and 6 bricks amd 5 bricks in the area

a couple years later we had a gas tanker on top of an overpass on the highway that rumptured and well the Bridge melted thei beams were 5 feet off the gound until they cooled and they got back to about 7 feet off the ground I have some pics of that incident I'll dig em up for ya LOTS o Fuego !! and I was first person on scene.. again Thank god no one was killed
Comment by Joe Stoltz on August 6, 2008 at 12:57pm
We have a couple of junkyards in town where we can find well-used vehicles ready for ripping and tearing. Or, we will go to local car dealers or mechanics to have them watch out for junk cars; usually they will tow them to and from our station free of charge. Sometimes, members even donate their old cars to the cause.

We have a special area set aside for extrication practice so that glass, metal frags, etc. are kept in a confined area. Someday we hope to have a concrete pad with lights for the purpose.

Once you have a junker or two, you can plan scenarios of people pinned (with live patients), rollovers, etc. Practice stabilizing, removing glass, doors, roof; do a dash roll, remove the seats; practice gaining access through the trunk; or whatever you please. You can plant one to five "patients" in a car, and have the department roll up to it as you would a real incident - PPE, set up command, establish sectors, patient triage and so on.

There's only one way to get proficient at using the Jaws and other extrication tools, and that's by using them. Preferably in a training scenario and not at 3 AM on a dark back road with people screaming.

Hope this helps.
Comment by lutan1 on August 6, 2008 at 2:08am
Very open ended question with endless answers....

Start wit hnasics like scene assessments- hazard identification, risk assessment and control.

Do walk arounds of mock scenes. Go throug the photos on this site and use them as "case studies" and do a few "what would you do now" type of discussions with the group.

Move into patient care and handling (Involve your local medics to get a proper underdtanding of likely issues, injury types, etc)

Then start vehcile assessments- learn the different features and hazards likely to be encoutnered such as SRS, Hybrids, etc

Then move onto vehcile stabilsiation. Try different scenarios such as car on wheels, car on side, car on roof, car on other objects, etc

Then start basic entry techniques useing available tools such as hand tools, then hand operated hydraulics then powered hydraulics- basically whatever you carry on the rigs, but make sure you cover everything. There's plenty of scenarios where powered hydraulics for example are not usable.

Then with the medics start to move into extraction of the casulty and learn how to make space and use the tools efficiently.

Finally, join the Vehicle Extrication group on this site and chat amongst the other members....

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