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Juniors and the Ambulance
should juniors be allowed to ride ambulance and have patient contact. a junior can see something bad on an MVA but should they help treat it. EMS had more physcological damage then fire, should juniors be allowed to do ems too. if yes, why and what good comes of it, if no why not?
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Permalink Reply by Lani on
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That probably depends more on your state and agency policies...In WA, I was able to be on the Amb and have pt contact (vitals, sample, etc) while still in EMT-B class. How else do you expect to get the experience...because I think we can all agree, in the field is WAY different than in the classroom.
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Permalink Reply by ff/emt 2155 on
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hey chief tell ffn to start a new network named ffn jr's please, everyday it is a new question about jr's and explorers, i have been in ems fire 23yrs and no way should kids and i mean kids belong on the fire ground or on the squad, stay at the house and clean equip, get to know the equipment, wash the apperatus and so forth, sorry for sounding mean it is not ment too be mean, as i said befor nooooo way i;am old school children should be seen not herd again sorry caught me at a bad time
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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How about a "new" post......What time should be established as "bedtime" for Jrs. ?
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Oh, great......now I am glad I posted my "new" post....check it out...you might like it.....LOL
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Permalink Reply by Art "ChiefReason" Goodrich on
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NO and if you have to ask, you wouldn't understand and if you don't understand, you are too young.
If you're too young, then you shouldn't be going on ANY calls.
Then, go back to that part of the book where it says that the answer of "NO" is never followed by the question "Why?".
You'll be better for it.
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Permalink Reply by FF31 on
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Art, I really appreciate what you just said. I think I might use that next time im bothered with a rather numb question.
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Permalink Reply by Ryan Kmetz on
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No, too many legal issues
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Jeff....You state "Ya, I did more than I should have." Do you know what that would mean in a court of law....? It would mean that someone else would now own the Ambulance/Fire Service you were associated with...Not to mention that a minor "working" 16 hour shifts is illegal in every State of the Union...they would or couls sue the Town, Village,city...whatever for more than you and I will ever see in our lifetimes....is that risk worth it...? Not to me me friend....not to me....Paul
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Permalink Reply by Russ on
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While I admire your dedication to serve I must disagree with juniors having patient contact. The liability issues everyone else mentioned and yes you seeing something bad could put the zap on your growth and developement. I know that sounds like BS but I assure I have seen things that put the zap on me as an adult. Use this time in your life to learn from the members who go on the calls and hopefully give you the benifit of their expierence. When I chased calls on my bike I "saw some stuff" and was glad I didnt have to deal with it up close and personally. I was in high school and wanted "that high school expierence" too along with the fire department. I am glad I waited until I was trained and able to not only go on the calls but able to know what to do and really make a difference. Dont let this be discouraging because you "ain't missin nothin". By the time you start riding for real, they will still be getting all sorts of calls and you might wish you had "this time" in you life back. God bless your dedication and good luck to you
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If you weren't trained and under age it would be similar to assault...you had no business even touching a patient....Our goal is to provide the best care that we can to each and every patient...Do you think someone without training or even old enough to get the training should be working on a patient...? What if that patient was one of your family members...? That is exactly the idea I shove down my students throat while they are in my classes......I want them to think that the patient is a member of their family....If they brag about a test or quiz score...I tell them congratulations...and then in class I use the example of someone(No names) scoring 95% on the test..and ask what that means....then I mention that to me it means that 95% of the time the person did the right thing...that leaves 5% of the time they did the wrong thing...gets quite quiet for awhile......Yes, I am tough on them...its probably harder in class than it will ever be in the field...but, is that a bad thing or a good thing...Have former students come by and tell me how much they appreciate the way we ran classes...and I can honestly say..I can't think of one of them that I would have issues with caring for me or my family.....Just my look at it.....Stay safe........Paul
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Permalink Reply by Brian Mackie on
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Grrrr...
Ok, so now we have a medic being fatally injured by a mental patient. Is THIS the environment you want to be placed into as a junior? If there was only a better way to reach the parents of these Juniors, I suspect that would help curb the ambition. BUT, there are chiefs, and medical supervisors out there, that visit this site I am sure. Can't you people PLEASE consider ALL the after effects (such as this terrible tragedy of being attacked and killed while trying to help someone) and put these kids back where they belong. IN the station and OFF the rigs!
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