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Disparity with FIRE Act
I was looking at the state breakdowns to see which states garner the most FIRE Act awards and as I suspected, Pennsylvania and New York have a clear lead amongst award recipients.
Of the 43,090 awards made between 2001 and Jan.23 of this year, Pennsylvania has received 3127 and New York has received 2442 awards during the same period.
Pennsylvania led in the the number of awards in every year but 2001.
Does anyone care to offer their opinion?
I have mine.
TCSS.
Art
Of the 43,090 awards made between 2001 and Jan.23 of this year, Pennsylvania has received 3127 and New York has received 2442 awards during the same period.
Pennsylvania led in the the number of awards in every year but 2001.
Does anyone care to offer their opinion?
I have mine.
TCSS.
Art
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Permalink Reply by Tony P on
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Ummm - the people who make the awards are from those two States maybe? I have no idea what the FIRE Act and awards are, but that's the first thought to come to my mind...
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Permalink Reply by Art "ChiefReason" Goodrich on
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By my count, there are 1152 fire departments in Pennsylvania.
Without knowing how many grants that they submit each year, I don't know what their percentage to awards received vs. grants written.
But I have to say that whomever is writing them in that state seems to have better than average kill rate.
In Illinois, we are trying to improve on our success rate.
And to answer the comment on departments who are getting them who don't necessarily need them; I am reminded that it is a "competitive" grant program. I can't argue with that, but will only say that there are pros running the score up on the amateurs!
TCSS.
Art
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Permalink Reply by Capt.Alex Arnold on
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ah yes strtcopr...which leads us to the "American way", why use your monies and resources when you can use someone elses.
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Permalink Reply by Trainer on
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I’m going to have to agree; it probably has a direct correlation with number of applicants, but I may be wrong. Political clout…maybe, how high is Texas? Art I don’t want to steel this thread, but anyone got an idea what Obama thinks about the AFG? I know everyone will have an opinion, but I’d like to know if anybody has heard him say anything.
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In Obama's inaugural address, he specifically mentioned support for firefighters, cops and EMS.
If that's any indication.
What's interesting is that he NEVER joined the Congressional Fire Service Caucus.
So, you have to wonder.
Texas was down on the list.
Alabama seems to do well for whatever reason.
TCSS.
Art
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Permalink Reply by Fireyladd - Retired Chief Sharp on
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Art, I have looked at these numbers before myself. We in Oregon have seemed to be on the short in of the stick as well. However, another factor to consider is of all the agencies in each State how many actually applied for the grants. I would tend to believe that Penn and NY obviously have bigger representation on the selection groups then all the rest of us. I am not sure just concerned that those who need it the most are not the ones getting it.
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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Art,
A very smart man once told me that regarding elected officials...
"Don't listen to what they say, watch how they vote."
In other words, it's the vote that counts, no matter what they tell you.
The guy that told me that was a former county council member, and was a long-time EMS supervisor with lots of budget, grant application, and political reality experience.
Ben
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Permalink Reply by united 289..{Dave} on
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Every post here has hit on all the points. Except one. How to get these grants. Putting forth the effort. Working hard for the grant. Attend the workshops, write your own grant and do your own research. Put the time into the grants. I am not talking about just a few hours. Many hours. I have written our last two grants and have received one for FY 07 for a new engine and one for FY 08 for a cascade and compressor station. I had 20 plus hours in the FY 07. The FY 08 I had 17 hours. Simple reason is I had all the ground work done from the 07 grant. I only had to do the research on the cascade and compressor station. I currently have about 9 hours in the FY 09 grant and it is not even out yet.
Your peers that review these grants want to see you put forth the effort. They get turned off the minute they see that you have used a grant writer. Not that you can't get a grant by using a grant writer. Your chances our better if you do your own research and your own work. You are the one that knows your area not a grant writer. You know your needs. Your real needs. What you can show and how your needs our. Tell them about your area. What liabilities do you have. Tell how what you are applying for is going to protect your liabilities. How will it make your firefighters safer and in what ways.
You are telling them a story. The story needs to be direct to the point and limited to no more than two pages.
We use to use a grant writer. It never worked for us. The last two years I decided to take this task on myself. It has worked for us. I am going for three for three.
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This came in from a friend who looks at this kind of stuff:
PA has more FDs than any other state and the highest % of apps submitted of
those FDs. About 2500 per year, which is more than 10% of the total AFG
apps. Only about 50 have 1 or more paid firefighters so most are small town
donation based VFDs just like much of the country so their needs aren't any
different than most.
He should know.
He writes grants.
TCSS.
Art
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Art what is his sucess rate on the AFG grant in Penns?
What is the award % of those 2500 apps compared to say Ohio %
Its natural that Penns apllies for more grants than any one else that they will be awarded more grants.
Dave
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