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What is the impact rating of a Scott SCBA mask.
We are doing away with our Visors and I need information to back up a request for Bourke Visors to replace what we have.
ESS goggles are great for rescue situations, however, I am having issues with removing my Visor until it can be replaced by something else...
ESS goggles are great for rescue situations, however, I am having issues with removing my Visor until it can be replaced by something else...
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Permalink Reply by J Mac on
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Not sure of the number, but maybe this link can help you out. If not drop a line to them through their website.
http://www.scotthealthsafety.com/Americas/en/Support/literature.aspx
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Permalink Reply by Joe Stoltz on
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This discussion may also help:
http://www.bullard.com/Fire_Rescue/helmet_book/section_13.shtml
I personally prefer the ESS goggles; with them I KNOW nothing is going to get behind them.
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Permalink Reply by Allen Wahlstrom on
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Joe I am all about goggles on rescue type calls. My issue is on fire calls.
Goggles dont really work with SCBA mask...ya know.
I want something in front of that last line of protection...
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Did you go to the link I sent? Therein is a passage:
"Under ANSI Z87.1, the SCBA facepiece is considered primary eye protection." (Well I would have thought so but looking for SCBA facepiece approvals on line seems to be a fruitless task.)
I don't have copies of NFPA 1981 or Z87.1 but I think those are the key documents you are looking for to confirm this statement.
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Yeah I did the search for a couple hours before posting the thread.
Myt hough is...if we have to wear NFPA complian uniforms as a line of protection and cant wear 60/40 cotton t's under our gear. Why in h*ll are we going with an SCBA facepiece as our ONLY line of defense for our face???
Makes no sense.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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Bourke visors are NOT approved for eye protection....if you go that route you may want to consider the Defender type of shield...that's what our prople went with...almost like goggles but slid up into your helmet dome when not in use......Just a thought...we went that route and it was our solution....Stay safe....keep the faith....Paul
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I think the discussion is: What kind of eye/face protection is available - in addition to our SCBA facepiece - to guarantee 100% protection? Allen please correct if I'm wrong.
There's a difference between eye and face protection.
If EYE protection is desired (as a back-up to the face piece) then I would think a pair of Z-rated spectacles inserted into the mask would be a good start. For those who don't wear prescription glasses, these could be just clear safety material.
If face protection back-up is being sought, that's different. Maybe a welder's helmet?
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Hey Allen,
I see on your page that you are a Haz Mat Tech. Do you really want another layer in front of you mask? The more layers, the better the chance of fogging. How many level “A” entries have you made that you had to pull your hand back into your suit, to grab that towel that you had stashed under the Scott strap, to wipe down the window in your body bag?
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Permalink Reply by Oldman on
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Ok, I've had a long day. Why would you be wearing a face piece plus goggles or a shield? I wear my face piece only when working in an IDLH with an air pack. We have the goggles for working with tools and other duties not requiring an air pack.
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I think Allen has had a long day, too... and perhaps trying to prove a point.
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Joe,
Thanks for the support, and yeah Im under the weather as well as tasked as the Union Stew' to find answers for the guys on this.
So...let me clear up any misconceptions on my issue.
Yep...HazMat Tech for more years than I care to remember...and in that situation, no another shield is not a good thing. Side note: If I never have to get in another body bag, it will be too soon!
Now my issue is relying on a SCBA mask as impact protection in a structure fire.
On rescue, hazmat etc, I am fine with goggles. As a matter of fact, I am thrilled with geing able to work without having that shield get in the way.
Call me old, stubborn, whatever...but, as a young firefighter I made it through a roof collapse with minor injuries. The worst being steam burns and deep bruising.
My shield however, didnt.
It was cracked in two and in failing, deflected a rafter that would have broken my face piece.
The mask compressed enough to smash my nose, but the shield took most of the energy.
So I am a little protective of my first line of defense in a penetrating trauma injury.
I hope that clears it up.
Paul,
Thanks...I did look at the Defender and that looks like a great option, but is it something that will work with a scott mask? We have already purchased the ESS goggles and the Chief wants our visors removed. Thus my issue with using the Bourkes as a secondary protection.
Allen
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Allen....well, if you are a "Mop and glow" person then I think the damage has already been done....LOL...sorry couldn't help myself (again)...I don't think the Bourked will give you much impact protection...I think they were designed with the same purpose in mind as the Defender...that is eye protection....I still don't think you can beat a full shield for impact protection...BUT, I have found that almost as soon as I enter the "Crap zone" my shield is covered with crap and is about useless anyways...thus I went with the Defender...and no, it isn't much help with a mask...goggles will be about the same as the Bourkes or DEfender....so I don't see your Chief's thought process here...?? Stay safe Brother.....Paul
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