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Auto Extrications Involving the Police
One of our October magazine themes is extrication. What do you find complex, or difficult, when dealing with extrications involving police cars? (AP Photo/ Evan Vucci)
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Permalink Reply by John Crabbe on
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Nothing
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Permalink Reply by Blake Mayo on
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Securing the officers weapon when the are injured is both vital and tricky. Officer involved MVA's the officer is trained to protect their weapon at all cost If the officer is injured to the point that he needs to treated The officer involved should turn over their weapon to a secure person, usually a supervisor however that is not always possible. Therefore, it important that a fire officer may charged with the responsibility of properly securing the weapon or weapons including, Gun belts, pistol, tasers, and shotgun. We are not used to doing this and need to be aware that the Sr. officer on scene may be by default be that individual if an appropriate police officer is not available
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Really, looking at the question, what really is more difficult or complex with extrications on a police car? Nothing.
Police cars are not armored vehicles or present any further challenge than a non-police model. So they may carry weapons, yeah so, so could any number of private vehicles out there. I would love to know of or see a police involved crash when extrication was needed where there weren't already other PD on scene where they could take care of the weapons etc.
Not long ago our dept responded for a similar event when a police cruiser was impacted by a drunk and speeding driver. Extrication was needed, the cop involved was dazed, most likely concussed, along with other injuries. There was nothing different in the way the crews handled the car and getting the pt out, the PD on scene took the officer's gun belt etc.
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Permalink Reply by Oldman on
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The biggest difficulty we have here when dealing with a fleet, is that some of us know all the officers that work our area personally, so emotions will run a little lot higher. As far as the extrication of the injured officer goes, the process and tactics will be the same. The weapons are secured, whether by LE or a department chief officer.
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Permalink Reply by Timothy John Dodson on
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As far as vehicle construction goes, law enforcement vehicles are not much different than their civilian counterparts, but there is one difference that sets the two apart. And that is the security barrier between the front seat and back seat. This piece of equipment could pose some difficulty in an extrication operation by restricting some of the working room.
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Permalink Reply by John K. Johnson on
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During one of my extrication training this past Febraury for Robeson Community College in Lumberton,NC I was fortunate to have three retired police vehicles to extricate on. We did scenarios base extrication on a victim trapped in the rear passenger of the cage crushed down on him, police officer trapped in the front driver side with the roll cage crushed down on him, we even had one vehicle that was used to transport the K-9. It is not uncommon to have this type of scenario in your response area.
Thanks
John K Johnson (JJ)
Fully Involved Training, LLC
fullyinvolvedtraining,com
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Permalink Reply by Sam Little on
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I do think that emotional aspect does play a part in all honesty.
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If you are in a very large city I would agree with you. However, in medium to small cities, we know our police offices as well as our own firefighters and their families.
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Permalink Reply by lutan1 on
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Potential issues I see (but nothing we can't work around):
- Weapons (plus security of the weapons and scene)
- Internal security barriers
- Non-standard wiring/electrics
- Any crooks they're transporting
- Psychological welfare issues (for FF's who may know the cops)
- Backup batteries????
- Road side flares in the boot (Are any still carrying the burning flares or have most moved to e-flares?)
- K9
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Permalink Reply by Norm Tindell on
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Lutan 1 lists many good points. I can only add that you probably will have the additional psychological/scene control issue of numerous excited law enforcement officers wanting to help. Most of our local LEO's still carry flares that burn.
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