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No loops in crosslays
Can anyone tell me if this rule is from NFPA or OSHA?
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Permalink Reply by Derek J Sinesi on
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We use minute man lays on all our cross lays and have never had it come off the truck by accident. I think someone didn't load it properly to began with. May question here is how do they want it loaded now? Just a flat lay. Do they really think this will keep the hose from coming off if not loaded or retained properly to begin with?
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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Any specifics about the SC incident? I don't recall it and couldn't find a link to a related story.
I did find details about the Revere incident and several others where hoses partially left the rig and either seriously injured or killed innocent bystanders.
http://www.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=e3decda9-d...
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/20100908somerville_...
http://firelawblog.com/2011/10/dislodged-hose-dragged-by-engine-str...
http://www.wickedlocal.com/somerville/news/x690800503/Elderly-Somer...
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2008/09/superior_court_u...
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Permalink Reply by DAVID GONZALEZ on
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Well cal fire use cross lays that have loops and so doez my department. Its better safer and easy to get too.
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Permalink Reply by Patti Walz on
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I have not heard of this rule.
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Permalink Reply by Blake Mayo on
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About a year ago there was a video that showed a city enging( can't remember we're) that rounded a corner. The nozzle from the crossly came dislodged from the hose bed. It hit a civilian and took the engine out of service while the department figured out what actually happened. The driver was unaware that nothing happened until the crew in the back seat saw the hose had been dumped.
As a result there has been some departments that have added some sort of restraint system to hold the hose and nozzle. Also some departments have discontinued the use of loops to skid the hose off the cross lays. Today's apparatus is taller than when I was a recruit. To grab a reef of hose without the loops is very difficult. That's way they are used even with the loops if one firefighter of average height and weight, it's hard initially to get the cross lay to move. Basic science here, a body at rest wants to stay at rest. However, I have not seen any OSHA regulations on this or From NFPA
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Permalink Reply by ashfire on
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In our county when we put a loop in a attack line we call it a "Ear" and it only is far enough out for a hand to grab and pull. Another thing we do is put a flap of hose below the nozzel as a ear on the hose bed floor and then wrap hose over the end of the nozzel above the ear so that it comes out as a shoulder load and the next bundle of hose as a drop and drag or shoulder load for the next firefighter.
In the station I am a member, we did away with crosslays and all attack lines come off the back of the three pumpers we own except for the trash line which is in a compartment well beside the pump compartment in the rightside stepboard. The hose is connected and in two hose rolls with the nozzel. Most depts in our area have trashlines in the front bumpers of their pumpers.
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Permalink Reply by Marc Hansen on
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Blake,
Here is a link to a fire engineering article that discuss the changes to NFPA 1901 2009 edition. Look in the section for hose beds and you will see positive securement is required to prevent accidental deployment
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Courtney,
Due to several incidents of hose coming out of hose beds, nfpa adopted a rule requiring some form of positive hose securement. Loops or the absence of loops dont really matter as they arent a means of securement.
Sometimes you have to "trust, but verify", not saying that whoever said this is wrong, just that things get turned around after a few retellings. Just like the "telephone" game we used to play as kids.
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I have a question do many departments have a big loop and small loop thats what were taught in cal training standards.
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Thanks marc
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Permalink Reply by Don Catenacci on
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My #1 POC FD, and my career FD, loads that way. Short loop on the bottom, long loop on the top.
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