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How Would You Have Attacked This Fire?
This is a fire in Detriot MI. My buddy had found it and posted it on facebook. It was right around the time Captcity had posted his would you go into this forum. So I figured Id attach it and see what other stradegies people would have used at this fire or if they would have attacked it the same way.
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Permalink Reply by Jay Nicholson on
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Vic, my opinion is that this is what was done. There is another line thru the front door. My guess is that the bulk of the fire was knocked down from the interior line and the roof line was used just to clean up the mess there.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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Probably with water or maybe class A foam.
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Permalink Reply by jurgen delchambre on
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Going inside and attack from the ground up is the best thing to do if possible.
Now they are pushing the heat and smoke back into the building.
There is no logical reason for standing on the roof with three firefighters so close to the fire with
dangerous wind conditions.
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Permalink Reply by Dave on
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My take, They did a great job! Alot has been said about the way they attacked the fire from the window. Alot has been said about attacking it from the inside, which most fires can be. Here i go, throwing a wrench into it.....What if there is no stairs?? Agressive depts have been going thru windows for hundredes of years to advance the attack line. Alot has been said about them not wearing the SCBA while climbing the ladder and setting up on the roof. I do not see the problem with this. They are outside, doing outside ops, when they made entry you can see them going on air. You have a limited air supply....why are you wasting it while standing outside?? Just my take
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Permalink Reply by Mark Oomkes on
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Way too small of a house to be using a 2 1/2 for an interior attack.
And to make that point, look how fast the fire went out with the 1 1/2".
On top of that, these older houses very seldom have a wide open second floor so shooting up the stairway is going to do pretty much nothing other than waste water and tire everyone out.
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Permalink Reply by Richard Armstrong on
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No probs with what you are saying about breathing air But what the heck is with not having them dawned and just pluggin it in and go but buddy went in without a bella clava on cause he was not dressed when he went up.And if the wind changed and whipped those flames around then they wouldn't have any eyebrows left and some minor burns possibly.I think that's what we are getting at that it was just a little unsafe to have your face exposed and then try and dawn gear on a ladder and he forgot to put his clava on.
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Permalink Reply by Norm Tindell on
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Certainly no need to apologize. Great video. Thanks for posting it. It grabbed my attention.
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Richard,
Being a Firefighter on a pretty active fire company, in a pretty active fire city, 13 years on this dept and I have never once wore a hood. Not saying you shouldt, but im not going to yell and scream that they are not wearing the hoods. My opinion..wear them if you want, But they do HINDER feel and has cost members lives and injuries. This will get debated, been beat worse then any dead horse.
As for not being masked. Climbing ladders can be dangerous, climbing with a fogging mask can be more so. We dont climb ladders with our Facepiece on, again....no need, your outside. Also, by wearing the mask...as it is fogging.....you cant size up. Taking the extra 10 seconds to look around while masking up could sae your Butt!! I am sure they had been feeling the heat on that roof, been in situations like that before. No matter what i say, someone will post a rebuttal. Was this video by the NFPA or IFSTA manual...No. Have they been putting these fires out for years this way...yes! These guys are on the last dept that seems to increasing there fires every year...They are doing an amazing job every day, I tip my lid to them!
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Permalink Reply by Jim on
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First of all if there was any resident (victim) in the upper level you should have considered them void & gone! Fire fighters has no business on the porch roof with the wind conditions changing. You did not pull the ladder truck past the house (you should have seen on approach, all 3 sides of the house fire). Did I say ladder truck? Why wasn't the ladder truck set up and in place? This clearly is not a fire for 1 1/2 lines, first hose should have been a 2 1/2 set up as a "keener loop" on the street and shot right through the upper dog house window. With the wind conditions I do not feel a attack from the rear would have done any good except to put the reat entry team in more danger. Great video and great knock down, every body goes home!
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I'm a little confused. The truck directly in front of the house is a ladder, so it's in place, just not in the air.
You also state that this was no fire for a 1 1/2, yet the video is proof positive that it was, because they had the fire darkened down within 10 seconds.
I'm sure there is more to this that we know, otherwise they may have gone from the inside. Something like 95% of fires in Detroit are arson, maybe it was booby trapped, maybe they knew something we didn't and won't know.
I'm sure most of us have different methods, but what they did worked for them and it worked quite well.
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Permalink Reply by Matthew LaRock on
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Great video and great aggressive attack. As far as everyones concerns about entering from the porch roof; maybe there were no stairs or the stairs had burnt out. Also towards the end of the video you can see a line going into the front door. The only other thing I would have done differently (if possible) was to attack from the unburnt side; but then again we only see 1 view and a short clip at that. Nobody but the guys that were there know what the condition of the stairwell was.
As far as line choice 2.5 is great for bigger buildings. This was a small 2 story dwelling. You can be just as effective with a 1.5 or 1 3/4 maybe even a 2 inch line.
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Permalink Reply by Ryan Chinn on
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i dont know where to start. the fact that no scba was worn? the fact that it was a fully invovled attic fire and they moved onto the roof? the fact that they had a ladder with a master stream they could have directed through the window? i say its poor planning and poor training. i know i am new to the fire service but i am no stranger to danger. Ladies and gentlemen we are not invincible.
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