Buffalo New York Fire Department - "Pseudo Military?" - I dont think so !

When and where does the "Chain of Command" start and end ? Is it actually adhered to ?


This subject has plagued Fire Departments for years.

Some try to argue a Fire Department is a "Pseudo Military Organization." Given that reasoning , heres a definition :

(quote from Wikipedia) In a military context, the chain of command is the line of authority and responsibility along which orders are passed within a military unit and between different units. Orders are transmitted down the chain of command, from a higher-ranked soldier, such as a commissioned officer, to lower-ranked personnel who either carry out the order personally or transmit it down the chain as appropriate, until it is received by those expected to carry it out.

In general, military personnel give orders only to those directly below them in the chain of command and receive orders only from those directly above them. A service member who has difficulty carrying out a duty or order and appeals for relief directly to an officer above his immediate commander in the chain of command is likely to be disciplined for not observing the chain of command.

The concept of chain of command also implies that higher rank alone does not entitle a higher-ranking service member to give commands to anyone of lower rank. For example, an officer of unit "A" does not directly command lower-ranking members of unit "B", and is generally expected to approach an officer of unit "B" if he requires action by members of that unit. The chain of command means that individual members take orders from only one superior and only give orders to a defined group of people immediately below them.

The term is also used in a civilian management context describing comparable hierarchical structures of authority.(end quote)

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Now my rant on the subject:

Now in the real "civilian" world - we all know these aren't the everyday guidelines used in most Fire Departments and certainly not in the Buffalo New York Fire Department. These guidelines are usually sited/enforced when it suits Admin - but not enforced when applied in the reverse.

I personally believe in our Department (BFD) it is just another double standard excuse for finding fault and passing blame rather than for informational/organizational efficiencies. It seems the Admin feels they can "Break the chain" any time they want and if they need reason to "Stifle input" they site the "Chain."

That said , this is not a indictment of all Fire Departments or their Admins ! Many try and adhere to some semblance of these guidelines. Being x-military , I believe the "Chain of Command" does work when applied evenly and honestly. Many times "ego" becomes more important than guidelines.



Hope this info helped !
God Bless
Stay Safe
Quoted from :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_of_command
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Comment by Rick on August 25, 2008 at 1:04pm
I believe todays Fire Departments should be run more like "almost" like any other large company - you have workers(FireFighters) - formen(LT) - Supervisors(Capt) and so on up the ladder.

Our guys and gals are all well trained - they know what their jobs are. The formen at any work site is there to supervise - not to micro-manage. He coordinates work efforts and supplies.- he/she doesn't dictate - he/she supervises -

In the Fire Service all to aften you have to many "Bosses" who actually confuse the situation rather than help. You have one Officer who says, "Put that ladder over here" - another one shows up 5 minutes later and says "I wouldnt have put it there - move it here." Then a Chief or higher shows up and says, "I want it over there."

Yes as the incident progresses it changes - but why does it seem all to often , it becomes a matter of "Power" not actual need. The power some people "percieve" they have aquired (When Stars are Applied) runs far beyond the actual job descriptions that came with those stars.

Please , I do respect "Authority" - but some times people get diverted from their true mission because their ego pushes them to far . I have seen guys become "Hunters" once their promoted - One Batt.Chief said, "Now we will see who laughs at who" within weeks of his promotion he seemed to be "Head Hunting" for everyone he thought ever slighted him - before the stars went on he was respected and liked by almost everyone he worked with - then he got "Gold Fever" - No not all people act this way, actually most don't - but its the ones who have "Personal Conflicts" who seem to turn the quickest.

Just my thoughts!

God Bless
Stay Safe
Comment by Engine 32 Capt. on June 24, 2008 at 8:29pm
I hear you loud and clear. Around here they call it a para-military organization. At best it should be quasi-military.

The same issue came up here with a Captain from one shift giving orders to a member of another shift while that shift Captain was present. While I respect taht a Captain is a Captain, that person should not be giving orders while he is working overtime on another shift as a firefighter.

Everything you said was to the point and right on.

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