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Helmets? turtle shell or the new yorker style? what keeps your safe and which do you preffer?
I personally like the new york style helmets, Paul Conway style. When I was a kid my pops had the turtle shell and when i joined my dept, thats what I wore as a probie and when I became a full fledged firefighter I recieved my new yorker style, have to admit the new yorker looks better and is more tradional firefighter in my book. What is your opinions on both subjects. If these post "helmets and boots," are repeated post, disreguared commenting.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Meadows on
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My problem with the style helmet you talk about Mike is the fact that you can't quite get a feel for the heat you are encountering. With newer and better made turnout gear and SCBA and all the other protection we have, we have no idea how hot we are actually getting until it's too late. I like the open style helmets with a hood for this reason. If my neck gets too hot thru the hood I know back out or take action because it's too hot. And personally I like the traditional style helmet I use a Bullard traditional.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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it doesn't matter as long as it is yellow (here we go again).........LOL
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Very cool Paul mine happens to be yellow :)
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Permalink Reply by Vic Silverfish on
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I'll grant you the leather looks a lot cooler, but that's a foolish reason to select PPE. The plastic ones don't weaken in heat, have fewer hooks and edges to entangle you, are better balanced, and are usually lighter. I will bet the European "motorcycle" style helmets have even better stats. Really there is no choice, plastic is better. Hang the leather one on the wall right next to my grandfather's steel bucket. Coolness and style, but antiquated and no longer suitable for the job at hand.
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Permalink Reply by corbin stevens on
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i like the Ben 2 Plus Traditional its very light and comfy
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Permalink Reply by Mike Schlags (Captain Busy) Retd on
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I have a healed third degree burn on my left wrist where I used to wear a metal watch. Heat transfers through nomex, no problemo... I'm not sure I can buy the argument having worn the helmet, and actually having one sitting a couple of feet from me. You will still have to rely on a nomex / aramid fiber hood to protect your neck. I really don't think you would have any problem feeling excessive heat.
Not to date myself, but your argument really blows me away Michael. I was the first person in my department in 1975 to attend the National Fire Academy Chemistry of Hazardous Materials and Hazardous Materials Tactics. One of the things I brought back with me was the awareness that hoods and wristlets existed. My own guys signed a petition against wearing a hood or the wristlets due to concern about not being able to "feel the heat". Now, so many years later, to not wear a hood or to not have a set of turnouts with wristlets sewn in is unthinkable.
So will the style of helmet we wear. There is a reason why pretty much most of Europe has adopted this style of fire helmet. Once you integrate communications, and scba, you have a cool, comfortable helmet that has built in features that make the helmet very functional. Think in terms of motorcycle helmets or jet fighter / helicopter pilot flight helmets. The MSA helmet combines both of those disciplines and most importantly, you would be supporting a product designed, patented and manufactured in the USA...
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Yellow, Red, White, whatever... it's time for a change! Think bling, think Chrome!!!
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Blue is cool for you Ralph because there is no way in hell that you will ever be in a situation where you are concerned with radiant heat. Using a reflective mirrored surface on a fire helmet in ingenious and has proven to be very effective worldwide... just not here in the USA.
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Don't we all... But as Vic stated, "Hang the leather one on the wall right next to my grandfather's steel bucket."
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Permalink Reply by Fireman Larry on
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I knew it, your a silver helmet salesman.... Unfortunately for all of us, those chrome domes are just damned expensive for one and for two, aren't approved by NFPA for use here yet...
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Permalink Reply by gerry allain on
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Well said Mike,couldn't agree more, even though the european look is soooooo bad. Cheers
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Permalink Reply by John Dobson on
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The one you keep on your head makes you safe. I have a Paul Conway Liberator NFPA compliant. I had a tradional style it keep slipping down over my eyes. So most of the time it was laying on the ground somewhere. I know that was not the best thing to do. So bought a helmet with a four point chin strap. Its also lighter which is a big plus in my book.
If my dept had alot of structure fires I may wish I had a larger brim. So I think it might make a difference where you live and the types of runs you respond to.
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