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Plane Crashes!?
I asked Paul cause he's a stats Nut but he told me to start a thread about it so here it goes..........
#1 --- What is the Stat on planes crashes where the responding department is trained on it VS. not trained for it.
#2 --- our department has a small airport near it and the approach for it extents into our coverage area and I haven't a clue whether or not there are any special precautions or not when approaching a plane crash scene other than it will never be where you can just pull a line off thetruck and reach it it will be in the middle of a bush or in a field LOL.Does anyone have any sites I could go to because I would like to learn a bit about this so I can give a little briefing to my chief to see if we could do a full training on it I believe if there are special hazzards to plane crashes it would be worth the time.We do have some training possibly coming up with the Canadian Military which all started because we go a page for one of it's helicopters going down one day but we were cancelled because he popped back up on the radar they thot he had crashed but he just went low under the radar.
If anyone has any comments or training sites I could look up please by all means leave them in here.And Paul now that I have started the thread I expect you to do your homework for us!!!
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Permalink Reply by Dolph Holmes on
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Just some random thoughts from a few aircraft trainings and hanging out with too many pilots -
You don't have to have a runway to have a crash area! Small planes pose their own problems, but are just as deadly as large planes. First issue is fuel, highly flamable and low flash point. If you have cafs that would be a good start. lay down foam so if you do have an ignition it will be smothered fast.
Your turnout gear will be ruined so don't commit everyone to the inner circle.
learn where the fuel shut offs are located so if it is a walk away landing you can make the plane safe.
there is a new system with a parachute that deploys with a big bang. If you have a small plane with this be prepared for things to go off.
Trees are not your friend, don't try to climb them to make rescues. Instead use ropes from close by to stabilize.
call the local air traffic control with the tail number to get information and ownership.
small planes are frequently used for smuggling so be wary of funny smells and colors.
Talk with mechanics to get tips on how to make them safe if you are lucky and they come down in one piece.
Above all, talk with others who own planes. They can give you a lot of info!
talk to the CAB officials and find out what they want you to do to keep the scene secure.
also talk with RCMP.
be prepared for a long response (multiple operational periods) if there are fatalities.
if it is a military plane back off and let it burn. The hazards are way too many to be worth the risk.
Probably a few more but that will keep you busy for a while!
Good luck and be safe!
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Permalink Reply by bill hutfilz on
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http://www.faa.gov/aircraft/gen_av/first_responders/ this is new alot of info here also www.arffwg.org and www.arff.info ther have been a lot of crashes of general aviation aircraft recently if you contact your local airport that have ARFF ther is a wealth of information and knowledge that we will provide. The ARFF firefighters are now not being thought of as the guys that are out at the airport and forgotten about use the ARFF guys out there. stay safe
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Permalink Reply by Ed Jones on
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The ARFF Working Group is an excellent source of Aircraft Rescue & Firefighting (ARFF) information. This non-profit group is comprised of Airport & Structural Firefighters around the globe as well as other professionals who are willing to share information. Go to www.arffwg.org and check it out. I am also willing to assist with any ARFF information if requested.
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Permalink Reply by Chris Watson on
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I would start out by checking with the local airport officials. there are prob funds to certify a few of the local FDs with ARFF. also just getting a IFSTA ARFF book would give you some general ideas. with civ aircraft your major concern will be fuel..AFFF...use lots of it. some of the electrical systems are pretty high voltage also. the same goes for military aircraft with the addition of bullets, chaff, flares bombs, missiles. I am a firefighter in a navy master jet base and the hazards are numerous. you could also go and talk with some pilots and get them to show you important stuff like how to disconnect the batteries, shut down the the engine, fuel....
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