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I debated myself on whether I should post this video or not. I don’t like to be critical of fire departments and how they handled a call. I, and many others have made poor decisions on the fire ground over the years and we will likely make unintentional mistakes in the future. After all, we are human.
But, the more I thought about it the more I believe that there is just too much to learn from here. Notice the word learn? This video is being shared as a learning tool and to show how easy it is to fall into the trap of thinking it will never happen to me. We have all been there and done that and this video will hopefully provide as a reminder of what we need to consider on the fire ground.
So, I ask you, what is to be learned here? What lessons would you share with your crew and fellow firefighters? Be constructive and not critical. Remember, you never know when the camera will be on you and I know I am not perfect.
Let’s learn something that will keep us safe and make us better and thank the guy who filmed and posted the video for the experience.
Stay safe and be careful.
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Permalink Reply by Davin Eshelman on
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There should deffinatly be punishments here. The one firefighter going through and opening doors with out a pack or a mask on. Serious problem. Especially at a working structure fire. From what I can see there should also be another person on the roof with that other firefighter. When they evacuated the building there should have been audible blasts of the air horn on the fire truck.
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Permalink Reply by John on
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Wow not sure if I heard the evac order right but if that was from command I am thinking they should have evacuated at that time, Command usually has a better view of conditions outside than they did inside. Glad all of the crews got out ok.
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Permalink Reply by Roy Walker on
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Jason I don't think command really seems to have been established so I would establish that first. Anybody not in SCBA would be recalled . Partner up ,two in two out . I would find another entrance ,they appear to be operating with fire over head. The fire appears to have self vented so no need to be on roof and I believe we would switch to defensive once a primary search was completed. It is hard to get an overview from just the helmet cam but , evacuation appears to have been ordered fairly quickly ,but no airhorns or sirens were heard. From that point strictly exterior operations would be put in place.
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Permalink Reply by Brian Mackie on
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Yah
Risk a little to save a little.. Risk a lot, to save a lot... risk NOTHING to save NOTHING.
I am unsure if the video guy was in fact a part of the attack team, but if he was, he wasted lots of air right off the hop. Contrast that with the guy that was breathing smoke trying to open doors (without really checking before hand I might add). I hate seeing guys breathing smoke. I guess I am kinda biased that way though.
I saw no real reason for anyone to be on the roof in the first place. Off an aereal device is one thing, but up on a roof that isn't there, and knowing the fire is heavily involved under the rest of the roof.. just not a reason in the world to be up there.
Command gives the evac order.. whether heard outside or not, the interior crews must do what they are told. At least they communicated to command that they were still going to try.." What you allow - you approve.." oh well. Again, I can't tell what if any progress they could possibly make by remaining inside. It clearly is not going to be tenable for much longer anyway.. why not go deffensive. What exactly would they be saving. No sign of salvage going on, so the contents would be lost as well, so in my mind, no reason to be inside. Through the roof.. out of the building.
Can't know if a primary search was conducted, but from what I saw, nope. That certainly would have been the only reason to be inside once it breaks through.
I probably missed the points Jason was trying to point out, so I will follow this thread closely, to see what I missed.
Thanks Jason. Well done again.
Oh, I might add, after reading Roy's comment, yes, I am a firm believer of attack from the unburned side. always. But, I can't tell if they tried or if there was.. I think there was one at the back.. but they decided to go in under the main body of fire. I would never allow that.. thanks Roy for jarring my memory. lol
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Wholleee... I really thought this would generate more interest..
what if we threw in the "blue light/ pov / explorer topics into it.. lol would it get some attention then? just asking is all lol
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Yes I hate it when someone like Jason takes the time to share a call and thus, his experience with us and we pay more attention to caption this and what color is that. Thank you Jason for your thoughts.
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Permalink Reply by John Crabbe on
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There should deffinatly be punishments here. The one firefighter going through and opening doors with out a pack or a mask on. Serious problem. Especially at a working structure fire. From what I can see there should also be another person on the roof with that other firefighter. When they evacuated the building there should have been audible blasts of the air horn on the fire truck.
But, the more I thought about it the more I believe that there is just too much to learn from here. Notice the word learn?
So, I ask you, what is to be learned here? What lessons would you share with your crew and fellow firefighters? Be constructive and not critical. Remember, you never know when the camera will be on you and I know I am not perfect.
So much for not being critical.
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Permalink Reply by Matthew Voges on
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I am wondering if anyone had established command. I didn’t even see a RIT outside.
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Permalink Reply by John Rulli Jr. on
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There is no command at this scene that I can see/hear. The bar man had on no scba, gloves, or hood to protect him from the heat and smoke. The helmet cam guy didn't have a partner in full ppe untill he entered the structure for the 2nd time. His partners quarter service bell started ringing out and he did not exit the building for anouther 4min. When they were told to evac the building they radioed to the person calling for the evac telling him they was hitting the fire. Thats fine but looking at the fire through the news camera and what the guy radioed back to them that they were not making any progress. there for the oic or who ever called for the evac should of stood there ground and made them back out untill the fire was knocked down from a defenceive stand. I dont believe there was a RIT team on scene either.
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Oh yeah helmet cam guy was on air befor he exited the truck. Save your air untill its needed you never know when you might need the extra two minites you sucked down on the outside.
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Permalink Reply by Norm Tindell on
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We should never second guess a command to evacuate the building. The IC can see the big picture way better than we can on the inside. And when someone's alarm is going off he should be exiting the building anyway. Great post. I was expecting a collapse!
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Me too Norm. I thought for sure this was a close call video
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