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What size line would you take?
This was a fire I was on one night over ten years ago. It was a great learning fire and the tactics had to be changed for a successful stop.
I can tell you that a great deal went right this night and there were things that happened away from the fire that paid huge dividends.
If you are the first arriving unit and officer, explain where your going and what your doing. I’ll give you a little information to help you along.
-This is in a rural area, no hydrants.
-The house is old. Old newspaper and straw were found in the walls during overhaul.
-We had plenty of manpower.
-On side B there is a door that leads to the kitchen and the stairs go up from the kitchen on that side, just so you know.
I would like to see a great deal of feedback on this one. Please let me know what operations would be going on away from the fire. After I get enough comments, I will post what we did and why it worked.
As always, thanks for your continued support and use this however you want for your training purposes.
Stay safe and be careful out there.
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Permalink Reply by Blake Sexton on
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Is the fire upstairs or downstairs I can't really tell. How long had it been going. Was it occupied or not. If occupied what time was it .
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I would go offensive b side with 1.3/4 pre connect . No way would I go defensive on a fire that sexy got to go in on that one but. Defensive would not do anything for that fire and if you wait till ma gets there it more than likely would be to late and the house would be a total loss. I love to fight fire and the only way I would go defensive if the whole house was in flames, other than that I am going in.
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Permalink Reply by Sparky3317 on
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First in engine take a 1 3/4 line to the second floor and start making progress on the fire, second line in send to the basement (if it is an old house possibly balloon frame it could be a basement fire extending up) Have the first in truck company start a search and ventilation of the second floor placing ground ladders for egress and or rescue if the house is occupied. Make sure to have a Fast (RIT) team assigned, also start mutual aid on arrival for water supply if the town doesnt have its own tankers and also for manpower (depending on the town staffing).
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Ya that would work if you had a second truck on scene . If only one truck is on scene then you only charge one pre connect . If the fire was possibly a basement fire then in no way would I go upstairs first and have fire under me.
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Permalink Reply by William Bills on
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I agree, if the fire is originating from the basement, an interior attack my be in jeopardy due to the fact that the fire has already self vented via the roof. On the other hand, if not, an interior attack is warrented. Certainly a request for mutual aid tankers is a must and i would probably ask for three additional assuming mine is in process of setting protable pond and dumping to attack engine. i would also call for at least one/two more engine and additional manpower, FAST Team, Air support truck for SCBA. My initial line in would be the B side door, utlizing a 1 3/4 pre connect, knocking down the fire that apears to be in the kitchen as well as then advancing up the staris if the staircase is intact and safe. The second line in would be the deuce and a half, to continue first floor extinguishment ans support second story operations if possible. Simultaneously to the interior attack the truck would ladder the building for egress/rescue and perform ventilation and search/rescue. Away from the scene, I would establish a tanker fill site with a second mutual aid engine in a location that will allow easy access for tanker fill and establish a shuttle that will allow tankers to drive in and drive out of the fill station without having to turn arpund. This is frequently accomplished by litterally driving them around the block. Even in a rural setting, the time it takes for a tanker to drive around the "country mile" block is ablut perfect when he arrives back on scence he may only have to wait for one tanker to complete dumping before it is his turn to dump. Be revolving several tankers around the "contry mile" block and through the fill station they are constantly moving and water supply is fairly constant as well. Depending upon hoiw apid the fire evolves, the second and or third engines on scene would have to utilize portable ponds as well for water supply; if this was to happen more tankers may be needed and a secondary fill site may need to be required.
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Permalink Reply by Roy Walker on
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Upon arrival request two additional stations for manpower and water supply. 1and3/4up the stairs and second line to defend stairs,but first a 360 to confirm no fire in basement. During 360 establish a spot for an aerial in case we shift to defensive. Monitor progress on second floor and run primary search on first floor and any accessible second floor areas. As manpower allows primary search of basement would be completed then reassess tactics.
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Just to clarify the reason I said send the first line to the second floor and the second line to the basment was it stated plenty of manpower I was assuming 2 lines would be pulled on the arrival of the first in engine.
Otherwise yes I agree send the first line to the basement.
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Permalink Reply by Márcio Teixeira on
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Hi,
I have some difficulty to answer that question, because in Portugal we use 3 types of hoses Flexible; 70mm (the large) , 45mm (medium) and 25mm ( the smallest ), and we also use near the pump , hose semi rigid 2 types (25mm / 32mm)....so the question is, what type of hoses you use?
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Permalink Reply by Jason Hoevelmann on
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We use sythetic, soft-jacketed hose. The typical sizes are 1 3/4 inch and 2 1/2 inch hose for fire attack.
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Permalink Reply by 55 TRUCK on
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2 Engines,2Trucks, 1Squad,2 Tankers,1transporting Medic, Battalion . 1st Due Engine would take 1 3/4 attack line to second flr. 2nd due Engine would go to basment. 1st Due Truck Interrior crew would start search from area nearest the fire outside 2 would start VES & set ground ladders. 2nd Due truck would assist with over hall then salvage.
In actuality the first due pieces would have it knocked befor your 2nd due got in. Squad would probably be disregarded. so would 2nd Tanker.
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Thanks Jason
however, William had send me a message explain me, the measures of the hoses, and i answer him..
Hi William,
thank you for the explanation, i forgot to mention that we also have hard suction hoses. We use the largest hoses (70mm) to supply from a hydrant or a tanker, and we also use in the ladders. The medium hoses (45mm) we can use to supply or to attack line, and we use the smallest hose (25mm) in some fires, but the 25mm hose has a good thing, easy to transport, and to pull. the others hoses semi rigid, 25mm and 32 are pre - connect
One more time, thank you for your explanation
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Permalink Reply by Gregory Cousler on
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You said there was plenty of manpower. Estabilish RIC, safety and accountablility. Assign Divisions for the basement and 1st plus second floor. Possibly assign a vent group. Where I work we would have a tanker in route to the scene with at least one engine. Once on scene I would definitly call for additional tankers and at least one more engine if not already on scene or in route. Initial attack lines would be 13/4. Since it is a two story house I would call for a truck company.
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