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I have been watching some of the postings on here by the less than literate junior members lately. I have also seen some of the "I want to be a firefighter types" post some ridiculous things on here. These discussions inevitably turn into the "learn to spell" or "shut-up and learn" conversations. I am not saying I have not participated in them either. But, is there some way to limit the posting capabilities of members? What if the junior members were only able to post in the junior area? Or, what if they were not allowed on here at all? I am sure that they can figure out a way to get around any sort of age requirement for membership, they are a little smarter than that. But, if they start posting immature crap, turn off their capability to post at all. They can still learn an awful lot with a read-only account.
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Permalink Reply by Mike Schlags (Captain Busy) Retd on
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Apologize (and yes, it's spelled with only one 'p') for the things you have posted is one thing but after catching up on this post and successive posts, you are still repeating the same mantra. Write without purpose or any thought put into your responses.
A seasoned fire Lt. wrote you and advised you that the chances were minimal that there would be a two-way street in regard to learning from one another. But yet you repeat that you hope we can just get along so we can learn from one another. You just don't get it. We have nothing to learn from you. Period. I would be very curious to hear back from you, allowing you the chance to better explain what you think you can teach a 36-year veteran professional firefighter...
It's appropriate for you to mirror those closer to your age and skill level. But to again repeat yourself, stating that we can learn from one another is nonsense.
The position you are in is one of humble eyes wide open and mouth shut situations which means that you need to pay attention to details.
Let me re-state this for you... Pay attention to details.
Do you recall my prior posts? I wouldn't harp on this if it wasn't so damn important. You give the very distinct impression that if we were for some reason caught in a firefight, and an order was given to you to do something, there would not be a guarantee that you would do the job or follow the orders exactly. You are what we called an extreme risk and would be considered a liability to have on the fireground as a result. You just need some time to do some growing up son.
Because of your short term memory issues, please again remember that I am under the impression that your posts are an absolute waste of time. And per your request in regard to teaching you what a direct approach sans any sugar coating... this exchange of information can be called a "direct approach", sans any sugar coating.
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Hi Devon, For starters, should someone like yourself pose a question regarding helmet color, or why we use sirens I would not pause to offer help and suggestions. Why the difference? Is it because you are a woman?
Nope... It's because you were well written, literate and were able to express your thoughts and questions in an organized fashion. End of story. If anyone writes a post and they have taken the time to do some basic research, revealing missing information, then is the time to write the post, hence bridging the gap between senior firefighters and juniors.
I don't think anyone on the FFN roster wants to shine on new talent and especially those that have the huevos to take on a senior firefighter. They just have to prove themselves by being well prepared to ask the question and not demonstrate a lack of personal motivation and insight to research and figure out a problem.
Critical thinking skills are paramount for the success of the fire service. Not taking the time to research and think about what it is that you are asking is an insult to anyone in any profession, not to mention not taking the time to do a spell check...
This profession, one of a firefighter is a learned on-the-job profession for the most part. Going through an academy is like getting the training wheels. It's the face-to-face, boots on the ground type of training that enables you to learn the trade, and yes this is a trade.
With that said, I still feel that the facebook types of discussions that are generated by the Juniors should be kept in a Juniors only section. If a tab within that section included a "ask the senior firefighter", I am sure you would get plenty of posts with the intent of the older or experienced firefighters to become more of a mentor. Something good could actually come out of this. But then again, I am one to look at a problem and come up with solutions, not complaints. I challenge others to behave and act the same... CBz
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Permalink Reply by Doug on
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The recent Wisconsin LODD, and multiple injuries, is a prime example of why juniors and explorers should be severely limited in what they can and can not do.
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Can you please provide additional information about this incident to enable learning more about it? It does not sound good and it leaves several questions as to why juniors and explorers were allowed to be in harms way. TCSS, CBz
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Permalink Reply by Jack/dt on
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CBz,
The reference is from this link -
http://www.firefighternation.com/forum/topics/wisconsin-firefighter...
This link, 1/01/10 gives a bit more information -
http://www.postcrescent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20101010421
Excerpts:
Volunteer Fire Department said Thursday that all the firefighters were within 50 feet of the fire when the explosion occurred, but he declined to critique the department's approach to the fire.
The injured firefighters included two teenagers, 17-year-old Chase Fritsch and 15-year-old Joshua Scott.
Schuh said Fritsch — his stepson — is a full-fledged firefighter, having reached the minimum age required by state law after three years as a fire department explorer. Scott, a current explorer, was about 100 yards away when the explosion occurred. He was briefly hospitalized after experiencing ringing in his ears.
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Permalink Reply by Art "ChiefReason" Goodrich on
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Can we get the definition of "full-fledged firefighter"?
Is that another term for "we bent/changed the rules to get my relative on"?
Yeah; another short sided law makes it right.
In Illinois, they didn't see a problem with teenagers driving and using cell phones until too many were dying from combining the two. Still, the law doesn't go far enough.
Citing law doesn't necessarily win the argument and I will argue that.
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Art,
Apparently a few states still "allow" 17 y/o's to be certified as volunteer firefighters and Illinois is one of them.
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Permalink Reply by Firefighter Nation WebChief on
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Folks
There's a Juniors section. If you see a Junior/inexperienced firefighter posting something inappropriate (truly inappropriate, not just because they are an explorer/junior) elsewhere, please report it.
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Permalink Reply by Tiger Schmittendorf on
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New York State law recognizes firefighters age 16 and up.
They also have a different section of law for "Fire Department Youth Programs."
It's important not to confuse the two.
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don't they have attorney's in Illinois? where I live is so damn litigious that having someone under the age of 18 doing anything is unthinkable.
another part of the discussion in regard to juniors and explorers are the personal civil liabilities the company officer can get hit with. is it really worth losing your home and property to enable someone underage the thrill of being a firefighter?
you can't ride along with my department let alone work as a volunteer firefighter until you are 18. just think... you have a 15 year old riding along in the engine as you roll along Code 3... and then, bammm! a car pulls out and the engineer has to swerve out of the way at the last minute...
the ride along is injured and is taken the the hospital with a head injury from one of the helmets that was not secured. now who's name was on the ride along waiver form, approving the activity?
as much as I wanted to make dreams come true, there is a time to play and a time to work. dangerous jobs require common sense approaches to safety. to not do so is simply ignoring the obvious and yes, they are using flip flops to float the power cord.
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How does this get past the litigators, attorneys and parents just waiting to sue someone? I think you work and live in a better less litigious world Tiger than we do here on the left coast.
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