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Bowline Knot - Seeking Advice
Currently I am working towards my NYS FF1 Certification. I took my Ropes and Knots class recently and am having trouble with the Bowline Knot. I've looked through tutorials, Youtube videos, and even the Firefighter Handbook, yet I still cannot do it. Sometimes I do manage it, and it feels as if I am missing a step sometimes.
Has anyone else had these problems and have found solutions? It's extremely frustrating.
And yes, I do know the whole "bunny comes out of the hole, goes around the tree, and back into the hole" saying.
Has anyone else had these problems and have found solutions? It's extremely frustrating.
And yes, I do know the whole "bunny comes out of the hole, goes around the tree, and back into the hole" saying.
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Permalink Reply by Anita King on
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Hey I had trouble with that one too, I finally just sat in my dining room floor with the book in front of me and practiced tying it around the rungs of my bar stool until I got it. It wil click and then you will never forget it. Don't give up.
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Permalink Reply by Jason Brooks on
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In the states the bowline has made a huge comeback. We used it frequently with our litters. Long tailed bowlines and interlocking bowlines are very common. A bowline is also a very simple know to use for a backup attachement when doing pick offs. I agree that the figure 8 is a great know. But, with use, the bowline is much more adjustable and faster to tie.
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Permalink Reply by capt4021 on
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and another way to learn if you know anyone that works on a boat or live near the water ask some of the guys that work on the boats. Thats how i learned when i was working on a crab boat.
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Permalink Reply by Steve on
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I have never herd that about the bowline but it has me thanking ill check in to it.
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Permalink Reply by John Crabbe on
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That's interesting Brooks. For us the bowline was no where around anything when doing tech rescue. Although we don't really do much, but still the figure 8 is the prominent knot for rescue work. Don't know about the faster to tie part though, figure 8 on a bight can be tied very quick, although when tying something to hoist, say a smoke ejector, a bowline is much quicker than figure 8. Couple ways to do things I guess, you have any pics at all of what you are referring to?
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We are doing a three day training next week, I will take some then. The bowline is faster than a figure eight follow through for sure. Just think, how many times you have tied the eight and then not have enough rope to complete the follow through part. We also have a couple of unconventional ways that we tie a bowline that is extremely fast and efficient. I will try to get step by step pics of that also.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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actually FF1 is about the only place you will learn it...in tech rescue and high angle rescue we weren't allowed to use it... Try it this was....make a loop...run the line through the loop then around the mainstem and back through the loop...don't forget your safety knot.......See it really is simple....Now put turn-out gloves on and tie it behind your back the way we learned it.......LOL....Paul
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Permalink Reply by Bill Deutsch on
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Andrew - I worked in the air and taught climbing instructors for 5 years -- best solo training aid I've found: http://www.animatedknots.com . At the risk of stating the obvious . . . Nobody knows a knot (especially in Fire Service or any other climbing job) till they can tie it wearing full PPE and their eyes are closed. Good Luck!
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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There are several good animated knots pages available in addition to the Grog NetKnot page several others have linked. Some good bowline pages are:
Net Knots
Tollesbury's Knots
(Shows how to tie and untie the bowline and several other common knots)
Marine News
Good luck.
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Bill, I've heard the "eyes closed" thing for years. I have a different opinion. If I'm going to trust my life to a knot tied by someone else, I want them to look at it while they are tying it and to visually check it again prior to using it. Then, I am going to check it myself.
"Eyes closed" sounds nice, but being able to tie the knot quickly and accurately is what's important, not whether or not you can tie it with your eyes closed.
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Permalink Reply by Angela on
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We practiced in a dark room with our gloves on and a black mask over eyes, the best help i found though is talking to someone on your department, the guy that had helped me out showed me a different way to do it but it still passes the class!!
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