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OSHA "Burns" Another Fire Department
Here is an article on Jackson County Oregon Fire District No. 3 on how they are going to use a safer method to fight fires-PPV. See link: http://kdrv.com/news/local/121891
Now; here is the irony: after three firefighters were injured at a live burn training fire in April, some two months before the news article, they are being cited by OSHA for violations! See link: http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090917/NEWS...
Hmmm. So, after they had their training that injured three firefighters WITHOUT PPV, they are now going to use PPV?
Call me crazy, but shouldn’t they get the BASICS down first before they tackle something like PPV?
I guess I’m just a sentimentalist at heart.
TCSS.
Art
Now; here is the irony: after three firefighters were injured at a live burn training fire in April, some two months before the news article, they are being cited by OSHA for violations! See link: http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090917/NEWS...
Hmmm. So, after they had their training that injured three firefighters WITHOUT PPV, they are now going to use PPV?
Call me crazy, but shouldn’t they get the BASICS down first before they tackle something like PPV?
I guess I’m just a sentimentalist at heart.
TCSS.
Art
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Permalink Reply by Tony P on
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Art, you are of course correct, OSHA, NIOSH, or for us various OH&S departments, must exist. They must be there to look into what happens with a critical eye simply because if left alone too many employers (and I include volunteer organisations as employers) will simply do their own thing. As a broad rule of thumb, you can say that many employers worry about one thing only, the bottom line dollar. They will not bring safe working conditions in because they cost money, don't earn money. Some people will call me a cynic, they should look at history.
Your OSHA etc look into any incident that kills three or more people? I think that disgraceful. Here, every single death or serious injury will be investigated. Every single one of them. Seemingly to employer organisation disgust, there is no 'allowance' of "only a couple of deaths at this incident". We as communities cannot allow people to be killed in the workplace. We cannot accept any minimum number of deaths. To expect deaths and injuries means that you will have deaths and injuries. The only acceptable death rate is ‘zero’.
A death on the fireground should not happen – unfortunately such things do happen, but they can never be accepted. There have been just on fifty deaths of firefighters in my fire service since its inception in 1945. (It is a large fire service, currently around 58,000 volunteers and 500 career members.) Not one of those deaths was acceptable. Every one of those deaths was investigated, by the State Coroner and others.
Having a death in a training incident is totally unacceptable. It cannot be allowed to occur. In the event of such a thing somebody has to be in severe trouble. Somebody was in charge, in control – that person has to be responsible.
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Permalink Reply by Art "ChiefReason" Goodrich on
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Tony:
OSHA intervenes when three or more go to the hospital from a single incident.
They DO investigate each death. They have to be notified within 8 hours of the incident, I believe.
It used to be 24 hours after a death, but I think that changed.
TCSS.
Art
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And a new training officer.
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Thanks Art. Good to hear. I misunderstood obviously! Learning is always good.
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Permalink Reply by Fireyladd - Retired Chief Sharp on
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And some minor burns
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Permalink Reply by FETC on
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Chief,
Do you mean safer like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTInZhv4ZyE&feature=PlayList&...
But hey, it is supposed to blow all that smoke and heat away right???
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Permalink Reply by John Crabbe on
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Thanks for the video...I was looking around for that one when we were doing some PPV training. I saw it in the class I attended on PPA and it is used to show what NOT to do.
Does make me wonder WTF they were thinking.....let alone the PPV, but it does look like an outside crew is spraying water inside with crews inside.
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Yes from my understanding yes, that is correct but what about this one John,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUx8v9L2kII&feature=PlayList&...
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That one may have also been shown as a "what not to do", but it is hard to tell what the conditions were prior to crews going in. However, you can see, whomever it is on the scene, moves the PPV fan and seconds later the first FF bails out the door and clearly moves the fan. Yeah, under those conditions, there is no reason for the PPV, you have that much fire, you obviously don't have enough exhaust for PPV to be effective.
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Permalink Reply by Smoke Eater on
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Did anyone else notice the smoke on the first video as the team was making entry? Maybe some penciling of the ceiling upon entry could have cooled that room down and a flashover could have been averted.
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Permalink Reply by John Kriska on
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Mistake # 1, appears PPA started with crews in the buidling. Mistake #2, appears PPV fan directed into the area of fire orgin, should be positioned at an opening that is remote from the fire area. As i have repeated in numerous posts on this subject, training, training and more training. Do it right, do it safe!!
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No one said it was a "podunk fire department".
I went to their website.
I read the report.
PPV has been around since the 1970s.
PPV as an offensive weapon has been used to varying degrees of success and failure since the 80s.
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