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Attack lines Flat lay or shoulder load ?
I prefer shoulder load or minute man load as the call it because if you are short handed and have no one to flake out hose shoulder lay is the way to go in my opinion.
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Permalink Reply by Kyle on
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We use to use the minute men but just last week our department decided to switch to the triple lay. The minuteman seemed to be to much hose to flake out. For instance in the city you had to walk past the structure to get it flaked out b4 you went in the structure
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Permalink Reply by Mike Dettman on
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I find the triple layer load is very effective for short staffed engines. Its a one FF pull and flakes out on its own for the most part.
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Permalink Reply by FETC on
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This has been discussed before but it depends on your districts target hazards. Without going into detail, Do you need to stretch it up stairs or just in the yard? Triple loads are great for a brainless flat... I pull the nozzle with one man. They suck if your fire is in an upstairs apartment or on floor 3. Minuteman loads are preferred and labor efficent by flaking as you walk-up but I don't want to start another arguement about ALWAYS having a charged line in the yard before you go to the third floor...
My truck has both loads. The officer will call out which one he wants stretched.
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Permalink Reply by Shareef Abdu Nur on
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In our area, all the Departments use flat loads. I have used triple loads before and minute man loads as well, but for us a flat load works better. We do not always need to clear an entire bed and this way the Driver/Operator can break the line and connect to a discharge when needed. Flat loads are the easiest to reload. I know a minute man or shoulder load is faster, but the seconds longer that it takes to deploy a flat load is just enough time to get your head on straight and think about what you are doing. In my humble opinion, no load is the absolute best for every attack or for every Department. They key is to curtail your load for your area and learn your stretches.
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Permalink Reply by Brian Shadrix on
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The only problem with a triple load and the short staffed engines is that it takes a few people to load it back onto the apparatus. Or maybe I just needed more practice. LOL
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Permalink Reply by paul michael komandt on
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We use the minute man load on all 1.5 and 2.5 lines with the exception of a 150 foot trach line where it is 50 flat load and 100 foot in a "cleveland load" of "bundle". We have tried the triple load but Most of our houses are 100 feet off the drive let alone 1000 feet off the road. Most of the doors we go in are in the back or side of the house so either way we have top flake out our hose.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Thornburg on
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I agree with all the replys. The " Triple Lay or Becker Lay " is very more effective for the shorter staffed Departments. I like it alot better than the Single Stack Hose Lay. But you also have to look at the factors. Are you gonna be going straight in to the structure or are you gonna have to climb up stairs or a ladder for that instants. I would do what the department thinks would work better for your area. I mean it takes all the personnel in your department to make it operate smoothly. In the department that I am in we have used both types of hose lays. We seem to always go back to the Single Stack.
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