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Seat assignments
I recently implemented the Truck Co. going to seat assignments such as " you sit here, you get off the truck with these tools in hand" My problem is it became a little more complicated than I originally meant because when I made up the signs for each seat laying it out incase people from other truck rode I ended up with a list for structure fires doing ventilation, structure fires doing search, then basic alarms. I am looking to see how other Truck Co.'s do their seat assignments so as to cover most scenarios with the same tools for each type of call. Being a volunteer dept. we run 4 person company( driver, officer, and 2 jump seats) on a good day for structures but maybe 2-3 people of alarms and such. I have learned to try to keep stuff "stupid simple" . If anyone has some input so I can try to tailor it to our needs, I would appreciate it.
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Permalink Reply by Mike on
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4 Man Truck Crew
Seat 1. Driver/Operator Drive,Ladders,Utilities, Fans, (R.I.T)
Seat 2. Officer Size-Up, PAR Board to IC, Thermal Cam, S & R
Seat 3. Hook & Can Man Ladders, S & R, Extension
Seat 4. Bar Man Entry For Engine, Saws, S & R, Ropes (unless there is a 5th)
My current dept dose not have seat assignments, they are assigned by the officer. My past dept. had this arrengment for the Truck. That seat was responsible for organizing the tools needed for the task assigned
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Permalink Reply by Adam Box on
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I often wish that we had seat assignments to avoid the problem of having three guys with haligans and no water can. Unfortunately, our manpower is sometimes spotty and we might ride out with only two interior firefighters and an operator (if that) so we're kinda stuck assigning tools and assignments on the fly. I just usually try to make sure we have the essentials (dependent on the type of call.)
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Permalink Reply by Doug on
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I hear that! Our Captain's, Chief, Asst. Cheif or whatever senior firefighter is riding in the captain's seat is usually pretty good at handing out orders and who is to do what, grab what, enroute and on the fly.
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Permalink Reply by L.R. Graves on
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Our Trucks (non-tiller),Captain and FF behind him are usually inside (search/forcible ent.) Irons/TIC 6ft Hook.
Sergeant(Driver/Operator) and FF behind him are outside vent./roof Saws/ 8ft Hook Axe.
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Permalink Reply by Dennis Brown on
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Well we have a 6 man cab so it driver man behind him set up truck then when done with truck set up helps #6 man mid man irons and what ever tool need for the job officer and man behind him S&R 6th man can or vent opps if needed this seem to work well with are co. but rember we get good turn out on every call to staff all are truck and engines
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Permalink Reply by Marc on
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seat 1) Drivers Seat = Apparatus Operator {A/O}:Ventilation and USAR
seat 2) Captian II (next to driver): Capt
seat 3) Top Member (behind A/O) : Helps With ventilation
seat 4) Inside Member (behind Capt.II, This seat is only filled when we are running a Taskforce set up or a Truck by iteslf, if it a Light Force call then the Inside Emeber gets on the Pump): Dude who gets us inside
seat 5) Tillman: ventilation
Seat 4.5) Explorer: Ground Ventilation/Forcible Entry
Taskforce = Engine, Truck, Pump
Lightforce = Truck, Pump
Marc Hurwitz
Los Angeles City Fire Department
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Permalink Reply by Trainer on
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I have to ask a couple of questions; Is this strictly a truck company? What is your normal response to a fire, number and type of rigs? And is it always in the same order? For example we always roll an engine, rescue, and engine. I’m just curios as we assign only 1 seat, shotgun and it’s for IC. We assign the engine a task, 1st due is attack, so the only tools they need is hose and maybe a iron, 2nd or rescue is assigned search and vent, it’s a little tricky here as more tools are required, but still pretty standard, shotgun in this case is PIC for this group and gives assignments and reports to IC. 3rd due is water supply this is a 2 man cab and will do a reverse lay if need be in order to drop his man at scene to help hookup, report to IC and then become a floater to help where needed. We considered seat assignments and just for the reasons you mentioned, no hose, but it becomes tough as it may depend on truck placement who would pull hose, left or right pre-cons. Assign only the shotgun or captains seat to command, he will give direction.
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Permalink Reply by FETC on
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Seating assignments in a volunteer setting is difficult, because your manning varies on every response. I would stress that if a seat is left open during a response, that the remaining crew be smart enough to pick up the assigned tools or workload.
Seating assignments are usually tool specific and not task assignment specific. Unless your on a biog city truck company like the OVM. The incident commander needs rural companies to be flexible upon arrival in case he or she has a tactical objective that your "signs" do not cover.
This is much easier to implement in a permanent assignment situation. Even paid combination departments struggle with what you are trying to implement because quite often the truck company cross mans the ambulance.
So even their manning is somewhat different at times.
Big city, permanent assignment to a truck or engine is much easier...
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Permalink Reply by John on
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No Assignments on oours usually if you are on the officer side you grab the TIC and drywall hook, the drivers side its the hydrant bag and dressing the hydrant or the irons. if a hose is deployed its usually decided while enroute on whos pulling it.
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My reply was strictky a truck company.
My current dept on a box call gets 2 engines, 1 truck, and 1 chief
Usualy the 1st eng in Fire Attack, 2nd Eng is water supply or back up for fire attack, Truck is S &R and truck stuff.
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Permalink Reply by NOVAFireman on
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With four, you can split the crew up with Inside and Outside teams. The officer's side will be the inside crew, and driver's side the outside crew.
Keep it simple by having the officer carry the TIC and a 5' hook. His fireman will take the Irons and a water can in with them. Depending on the building occupancy and situation, the Hydra Ram would also go in. The inside crew is responsible for forcing doors for the engine, and will operate the saw to cut gates, locks, etc.
Your outside team will be the driver and OVM Fireman. The OVM will take a 6' hook, halligan and start throwing ladders and conduct VES operations if needed. If VES operations are not needed, then the OVM can continue throwing ladders, initiate horizontal or verticle ventilation, and control utilities with the driver.
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