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ISO Considering Change, input wanted.
I’ve been invited to sit in on a discussion, along with several others, with ISO. Purpose here is to brain storm ideas for changes in their rating system. Since my brain is only partly cloudy today, I’ll entertain ideas from the members. Hear is your chance, I’ll pass along any good ideas.
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Permalink Reply by Trainer on
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Cap you hit on a good issue, distance V water supply, anything more then 10miles out is an automatic 10, and just FYI water supply is 40% of final class.
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Permalink Reply by Frosty on
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Normally every 10 years, but if you are a 9 expect it on a cold day, UNLESS you are asking for an update.
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And that is where my records should come into play. I know when I did this for a living it was not uncommon for us to have two engines and a tanker for a structure fire - 6 or 7 people. I field more than that for every structure fire we get now at my volunteer department.
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They will give you LOTS of notice. Like any group, they run on paperwork.
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Permalink Reply by Engineco913 on
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ISO. I have heard a lot of stories about ISO. I heard that insurance companies were no longer basing rates off of ISO ratings. (insurance is the second largest monopoly in the world. Oil is #1 in my eyes)
Things ISO could change? I think having a set standard that could be issued to departments to allow them to comply and compete for better ratings would be a start. I think ISO ratings shouldn't be determined by ONE tanker shuttle operation (with the paperwork shuffle) in a non hydranted area. (been there, done that) Although we scored great on the shuttle, it is unrealistic to expect the same results every time.
Making everything less of a mystery will be a good start.
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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The rating schedule is an ISO trade secret. The next time you see an ISO rater, ask if you can peruse through his rating reference book. They won't let you look at it. It is my understanding that they have to sign a non-disclosure agreement with draconian penalties if they reveal anything about how they actually calculate the points.
Any advice they give you tends to be a) after the audit, when it's too late to fix anything they don't like, b) fairly generic, and c) completely lacking information about what will happen to people's fire insurance if you don't play their game.
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We had this same issue in one of my old volly departments. We left a second pumper at our HQ station every time we ran a full response. I was always told that this was ISO-driver, based on the area around HQ having an ISO 5 and the rest of the district having a 7. To keep the 5, we were required to have a second pumper to cover any additional city alarms.
The big joke was that the 2nd pumper sat and collected dust, because every firefighter we had responded to the first fire. There wasn't anyone left to crew the 2nd pumper. Talk about an expensive IRD!!!
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Permalink Reply by Joey "BigShow" De Piano on
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ISO..hmmm..Inbread Stupid Ogers...was the last I heard it means..and their sustem is as brilliant ..first off they tell us we can't see these so called double secret sysrem they have but in actuality under right to know we can demand them and if not mistaken we can also request a copy from any of our insurance holders as to the requirements since they have a hand in this sick thing..I find being a former officer is to play the attorney way..let these useless mass of flesh deliver their shpeel then after they think they blew your doors off whip out a formal researched set of Questions and posted standards for them..chances are the guys tie will cinch up and take his head off but in the event it doesn't ask to see or hear a breakdown for a single family home lets say bilevel and what ISO thinks is required to safely provide for that single solitary home..then do the math for how ever many homes are in your locality and I bet the numbers don't match up to their proposed standard ..I love sending a "pro" home with tail between the legs..just for an example the last dept. I was on was actually a mile by 3/4's of a mile a total of 5000 residents not kidding if you farted going through this place you missed it..anyway we had the adequate pressure at the most distant hydrants our station was centrally located and mutual aid was within 2miles..and this ISO came in and said we really need to have a 102ft Tower ladder in town..now I am a truckie so my jeans got a little tighter right away but in all honesty our county has a 3 story limit on residential houses so there was nor is there a single home in the entire town that a standard 35 foot extension ladder can't reach not to mention a 102ft tower in that town would pull out of the bay and the cab would be on scene and the rear axle in the bay...I mean cmon..needless to say we didn't go with their ideas..and you know what..we still got 3 grants and new gear and still do what we do .just I am in a truck company again ina bigger and bussier dept and there are actual city style buildings..yeah..lol..
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You know, I keep seeing the comments about how secret the system is - have you folks ever set down and read it?
Go to the short course... http://www.geocities.com/isoslayer1/index.html
Its not all that secret, and its not all that tough!
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I’ve been trying to say that same thing; I have found no secrets in what I requested. What they wanted and allowed points for each item was sent prior to there visit. The break down of our AAR had to be requested in writing, again no problem. I had some questions and called there office, no problem, and was told if we make a change give them a call and will run quick calculations on the phone to see if it helped. Currently we need 1.45 points to make a 5.
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