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I'm just wondering how many departments think that it is ok to not have turnout gear when they run on an accident. Do you not put your turnout's on for a fire alarm? To me I would rather have my turnout gear on and ready and not have to use it rather than get there and then say the O ----- Plus its my departments policy. We all know that cop is an idiot in this one and thats not what I'm debating and we all know we should block the scene of the accident to. But when I watch this I see an Officer getting out of a moving truck with no turnout gear on being a problem. I hope he just made a mistake and hasn't did it since. I have commented on this on youtube and some people think that what he did was ok with not having turnout gear on? MY question is what is your take. Either click on the tab or paste it from here, I'm not sure if the tab will send you to the video or not so you might have to paste. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LC6oqLhbr0
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Permalink Reply by Engineco913 on
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This video made it's way through FFN quite a while ago. Commenting on whether he should have had turnout PPE on or not is another matter. He (being a captain in uniform and based on the standard then) was in the right with his clothing. The mandate now is for reflective vests and or PPE. Their SOP may not have stated that then. He was on the scene of a MVA and was assesing injuries when the officer started in on him. Was he right for jumping off of a moving piece of apparatus? That answer is obviously no. That (based on the timing of this incident) was the only rule he violated.
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Permalink Reply by Cory on
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So you guys will go to MVA's without any turnout gear on? I am guessing you talking about the Captain, I guess I can't understand why anybody that is getting in or near a car that was involved in a MVA why they wouldn't have any turnout gear on. I guess the only explanation I could understand would be that they were out on another medical run and couldn't get his gear on, on the way to the call then getting to the call make the judgment then. I wasn't going to bring up the vest just due to how old this video was. And I realized that this was probably on this site before but I didn't know where to look. But the only reason I brought this back up is I made a comment on youtube.com and some people made some comments about not wearing and 2 people saying it’s ok. I guess with taking risk management classes and a few others I might look at it in a different light. I realize cars don’t explode very often, but what about airbags struts etc… and gear won’t keep you safe 100% of the time but we have it for a reason. I guess I want to understand the other side of the story why it is ok to not have gear on.
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan on
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He's a captain and was going to a mva not a car fire. His other ffs were geared out. The captain is usually not in gear because they're the IC. Our capts will usually have on atleast their pants for a possible fire call, but if there is no fire they go in their station uniform with their gear on the truck. I see nothing wrong with it. He probably shouldn't have jumped off the rig but when someone's life is in danger every second counts. Also, that cop was just being a major d**k, why is it law enforcement and the fire service don't get along unless the situation is a major catastrophe?! TCSS
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Permalink Reply by PA Firefighter on
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I agree the cop was a d##k. It was an MVA. He was doing patient care not firefighting. Once again the cops only care about keeping traffic moving.
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If he is going to run IC and get hands on then I still believe he should have something on rather than his uniform on, if he strictly ran IC the I could understand. What I am aiming at is saftey first, its not about firefighting because its not a car fire your right, but why go to a call unprepaired, or with your pants down in other words. It looks like the pt. was about out of the car and turnouts probably weren't needed but you never know. How many times have we went to calls, and it was called to be something and it ended up being something totally different and a lot worse? I know I have had plenty and I've only been doing this for 10 years.
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http://dynamic.firehouse.com/broadcast/2008/02/27/through-the-smoke...
Hit the start button and either listen to it cause it is a good podcast but around 9:40 into it, it alks about this incident, and the point I am talking about. After listening do you feel any different?
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Permalink Reply by Will2745 on
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seems to me this incident has been talked over so many times its starting to stink.
1. I agree he probably should have had some PPE on
2. I agree the cop is a shithead.
3. I never have heard the official outcome of this but hope the officer hot his fingers burned,,,where the engine was parked os just SOP with our dept....Protect the scene and the people involved,,,that includes ALL the people ., COPS, firemen abnd civilian..
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Permalink Reply by Tom Chmielowiec Jr. on
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the point is, everyone has different amounts of experience, trainings (... and rank), they will do things diiferently then other people- like john said, he could have been the IC and assesing the scene. experence comes in to play too, he may have been on hundreds of mvas in his time and knew he probally didn't need his gear. is it ignorant to think this way, sure it is, we have the gear for a reason, use it, its good PR. In his mind, he thinks he did nothing wrong, thats the way he has always done it and will in the future. no one can pound on someone's actions untill they endanger the lives of themselves or others. if he would have gotten hurt, then it would have been an issue. but he wasnt.
so its all how you look at it
thats my take
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