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Specking out a Heavy Rescue Pumper Squad
My department is specking out a heavy rescue pumper all in one. We are a small volunteer dept. So when respond we would like to have the es centrals all in one apparatus's. Does anyone have any pic or specks? We believe it will be dull axle truck.
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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There is a big trade-off when putting your rescue equipment on a pumper.
Heavy rescue trucks can carry a great deal more tools, equipment, and especially cribbing than can a rescue pumper.
Rescue trucks are essentially big toolboxes on wheels.
Booster tanks, fire pumps, and associated plumbing are heavy and take up a large amount of square footage. That makes the apparatus heavier and less rescue-capable.
Most "rescue-pumpers" are really engines with some extrication capability. Most of them don't carry anything close to the amount of cribbing that is necessary for proper stabilization of a tall vehicle like a 4WD pickup truck or a car that straddles a ditch or a tensioned buttress system. Most rescue pumpers don't have the space to carry more than minimal rope rescue gear, or any offensive confined space rescue or water rescue equipment.
So...the name "Rescue Pumper" is probably an oxymoron - you can't really carry everything you need to be a real rescue on an engine chassis.
If your department doesn't have the manpower to roll a seperate engine for extrication calls, then concentrate the equipment on what you normally run. I'd also concentrate the gear on smaller, lighter-weight tools like electric reciprocating saws whenever possible.
As far as specifications go, figure out what you can afford, figure out the tools you need to carry, then design your own truck around those tools. Leave room for a small lumberyard of cribbing. You'll need the cribbing more often than you need every kind of hydraulic rescue tool known to mankind.
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Permalink Reply by Bill Muehsam on
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I hope you have a BIG checkbook, this one's going to be expensive (+$500,000.00). If your looking for an ENgine Company with a "rescue style" body, just about anyone can, and is building those. If your looking for a Heavy Rescue with a pump and tank, your choices start to dwindle. I agree with Ben, figure out what you want to carry, then spec around that. Good Luck.
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Permalink Reply by Justin Stepien on
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Its not my department (altough it is in my state) maybe this would work for you department...Im not really sure of your exact needs.Also lotsa of departments in northern wi are going to F450 Style rescue rigs. http://www.customfire.com/d_pumper.php?id=453e7eb935513 .... and "fire truck Chuck" loves to show off this truck visit http://www.fdmh.org/ to learn more about the black rigs of wisconsin...
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Permalink Reply by Frank Svitak on
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Hi Glen, Well they really hit it on the head with the cost. Two companies in my county have pretty much what you are looking for, but the price was over $700,000. You can check out the newest one at www.riograndefire.com Look on the right side of the main page & click on the truck # 7298. You can also contact them thru thier website & I am sure they will be more than happy to give you any information they can. Hope this helps.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Burley on
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looking for somthing like these??
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or these??
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Permalink Reply by Trainer on
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The idea is good, multi-use, smart thinking today. But a heavy rescue/pumper may be pushing it a bit, although the one from Wis looks close but to quote someone before me, “hold on to your checkbook”. Now rescue/pumpers are common and may be affordable, one suggestion I have, if you intend to downsize the water capacity is to add foam capabilities, maybe a 30 gal foam tank, or compressed air foam, will extend the suppression needs, and cover the car fires. There’s a mfg here in Illinois, Alexis Fire Equipment, they will build anything you want.
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Permalink Reply by 144Truck on
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We are on our third generation of Rescue Pumper....We have been using the concept since 1975 or so. The latest incarnation is a 1250gpm/500gwt/20 foam unit with a complete set of hydraulic tools, multiple saws, enough cribbing for a two to four car crash, air bag set, air tools, plus 1400' 4", 300' 2.5, preconnected 1.75" and 2.5", light tower, etc.
We also have other big toolboxes, a straight rescue out of the downtown house as well as the Truck from West Stafford Road.
Like I stated, this particular Squad is the third generation for us in which the deficiencies of the first two were corrected through design. This unit WAS expensive though, $430K in 2005. (Ours is also a single axle)
If you would like specs, drawings, etc. contact me by email at wsfd44@cox.net.
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Permalink Reply by Troy Hieb on
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I am from a 40 member volunteer dept. we just got a rescue pumper from pierce. 500,000 four wheel drive custom cab. check out the pics, if you want more info, let me know. I was on the planning committee and can probably round up some specs.
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Very similar to ours, except for the AWD. Also looks like a bigger tank.....
144Truck
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Permalink Reply by RES67CUE on
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A MUST HAVE IS HURST TOOLS IF U CANT FIT SPREADERS AND CUTTERS THEY HAVE PRETTY NICE COMBI TOOLS
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Permalink Reply by Jenny Holderby on
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From just having danced this tune I know that Sutphen, Eone & Pierce offer a Rescue/Pumper in their line. I believe Rosenbauer might as well. I only mention these manufacturers because they are the ones I have seen and am familiar with myself but there are any number of Fire Equipment manufacurers with good products to choose from. You can go to any of the websites & look @ what they have to offer, many are alread GSA (government spending approved).
But please make sure you want/need a Rescue/Pumper, not specifically a heavy rescue or a pumper. Our process took almost 3 years because we had to decide what type of truck we really needed and compared several types before we came to a decission. We ended up with a Sutphen Rescue/Pumper. Although it isn't in service yet, I think we are going to do very well with it. In our area a fire truck needs water and this one carries 1000 gal. with a CAF system and lots of compartments for tools. It has a crew cab so it is a BIG truck and a big price tag. It came with a couple sections of hard suction hose, a ladder and a couple of pike poles. (It may have had a generator too). The rest of the equipment we are either shuffling off other apparatus or was sitting in the station not being used because we didn't have a place for it or we will get more equipment if we need something specific. Most will be taken out of overpacked compartments on the other vehicles.
I don't know how your system works but if you don't HAVE to write Specs, don't. It is a process. Call a representative, hopefully one close to you who will either bring an apparatus for you to see or tell you where one is you can go look at. Look at every vehicle you can to decide what you DO need and what you won't need. When you decide what you "think" you want, they will help you with the specs or give you the ones for the truck you are interested in.
The tax levy money in our area is distributed by ourTownship Trustees. They hold the purse strings for expenditures for fire protection. They met with us and the reps & discussed our options each time we had an apparatus brought in. Eventually when it was put out for bids, we received sevaral of them, all for good trucks. As usual, we/they accepted the one with the most bang for the buck, what we need for the best price.
Good luck.
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