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Why is Fire fighter1 & 2 Important (Volunteer department)
If you have been in FF1 or 2 and pass do you think it is Important for others on your department to do the same?
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Permalink Reply by SMOKEnPipesJim on
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imagine if the Military Army/ navy/ marine corps told you basic training was an option.. , that when youjoined up youcould sit around and get drunk every night and sleep until noon, every day.. there would be no cohesive disapline, our military woudn't be very impressive.. these courses teach basics and allow a person who learned something in connecticut work "fairly well, with a arizona department because there are basics that all have learned.. simple as that
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Permalink Reply by Yank2441 on
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Here is one of the best ways to encourage your members to get the most training they can. In our communications room at my volunteer fire department, we have a list of OSHA, FF1, and FF2 trained personnel. We all go to the station to get on a truck and keep our turn out gear at the station. If you show up to get on a truck and four people arrive at the same time as you, and you are taking Engine 2, then those with fire fighter 2 will get on the truck, then fire fighter 1, then OSHA until four seats are used. If you are the least trained and there are not enough seats then you sit at the station for the next truck out.
Almost every one of our new members are making an effort to get the highest training they can and it is partly because this little encouragement.
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Permalink Reply by Firefighter Tyler Supplee on
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Yupp!I actually am just about done w/ Mod. A and I learn alot that I needed and should learn.Esp. the part on Terroism Awareness!It happens everywhere and alot more things are considered terroism than you think.i.e. Poisening food and Some fights,but alot of terroism involves Haz-Mat which is also good to have.I am currently working on Operations level.
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Permalink Reply by Lawrence W on
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Two Words: Standardized Training!
There has to be an understanding among officers and firefighters alike as to what is expected of the folks on the apparatus going out the door for any emergency call. As an officer, I need to know that the folks on the apparatus are capable of understanding and completing assigned tasks in a timely matter, without having to be walked through the process. Each person on the crew needs to have knowledge of their equipment and procedures so that the the emergency scene looks more like a well rehearsed ballet than the clown show at the circus.
Remember: Your public is always watching...
Beyond your basic training (FFI, FFII), regular training in the use and application of your protective gear and tools of the trade is not only important but imperative to the successful completion of the task at hand with minimized injury and maximized efficiency. It is important that the first time you use a tool is NOT on the emergency scene where timing counts. Get into your apparatus, find where tools are kept, know how to get them out and implement their intended use without wasting time trying to 'figure them out' on the emergency scene...
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Permalink Reply by Mac Conant on
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Our Only Requirement is Basic Fire. Its a Labor Standards sort of thing. After we take that, and pass it, your clear to fight fire in the state of maine on a vollie dept
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Permalink Reply by turk182 on
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I believe they are very important the more fire fighters that we have trained at the same level of proficiency the better we will be.
When you have fire fighters with different levels of training sometimes they do not function well together and that can be a very dangerous thing.
The more training we have the safer we will be.
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Permalink Reply by Jerry Lease on
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Experience can be a good teacher, However sometimes you learn it wrong, a bad habit is hard to break, especially when you have seen it work before. I have seen use squeak by on something before, Is that ok to do it again? The fire service is using science to advance our cause and make the scene safer, if we don't get the basics, it is hard to understand the science. Fire tradition is very important, but lets not risk ourselves because that is how it has always been done. Honestly when someone tells me "well where I come from we do it this way...." I listen and see if we can apply it to our situation. More often than not it is from a very small department with limited resources, not the same situation where I am now. Discussion here is healthy and appreciated.
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Permalink Reply by Greg Meredith on
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Yes it's a great class every firefighter should go through it. You get to learn more than the basics of firefighting, and it pays off in the long run.
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Permalink Reply by Brian Dumser on
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I can't speak on FF1. Most F.D's here in Chicagoland start at FF2, including mine. But I'd say that they're important if you're going to really function in the Fire Service, career or volunteer. A firefighter has to at least learn the basic curriculum to be certified as a firefighter in your state, then you can adapt what you've learned to the "real world'. You can't have a crew with some people having OJT and some having FF1 and FF2. You don't go to the hospital and find some doctors with a medical degree and some with just OJT! To me it's a common sense thing. Anyway, that's my 2 cents on the issue. TCSS.
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Permalink Reply by Matthew Cosgrove on
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Did you honestly aks that? Let me ask you this...Do you want a trianed mechanic to fix your car or a blind, dumb, homeless man you see on the street?!?! To go and do the job we all do you need all of the training you can get!! FF1 and FF2 are just the start of a long list of training that EVERY FIREFIGHTER should have. I have always said.."if you don't know, than you don't go". to put it in laymans terms, if you arn't trained or don't want the training STAY HOME!! You don't know what you are doing. As for the "(volunteer department)" part of this, look at the LODD's. I don't have the #'s infornt of me but I believe 60% or better is made up of volunteer's. I think we should have more required training. Just my thoughts and rambleing... stay safe and train hard. its not just your life depending on what you know...
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Permalink Reply by roy yoder on
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i teach, i train, and when i started in 1980 it was told to me while i was in the first class i took that the class will never end. it hasn't and with having ff3 in Va. and moving to Ga. and they not reconizing anything from Va. and starting all over again i really understand that statement. the basics are the basics but with all the changes it does us good to go thru a basic class again and you might be surprised how much you might have forgot or had a senior moment on. it also shows the new ones that the veterens think training is important and not just a promotion class. i have had to change and forget a lot of what we use to do BACK IN THE DAY. remember the day you don't train GO HOME.
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Roy you've also brought up a good point about some states not recognizing other state certifications. Perhaps with the advent of NIMS and standardizing everything, we'll eventually get a national standard for FF certs.
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