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Permalink Reply by lutan1 on August 17, 2008 at 5:22pm

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

I thought this'd be a bit different to many other discussions that end in a bitch fight and might generate a bit of interest (And was unusual enough that most responders would not have to face it in their day to day role)....

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Permalink Reply by lutan1 on August 19, 2008 at 4:26pm

You can't get out if that easy Sean!

What if you were in the hot seat on the day and you were confronted with this? (I thought the tunnel would be a good discussion point as I assumed that not many people would be faced with the challenge...)

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Permalink Reply by lutan1 on August 20, 2008 at 4:05am

Good reply Ed- a couple of queries for ya':

Every Fire Department and EMS within a reasonable distance.
How many is that and what are they? (Pumpers, Tankers, etc- or whatever you guys call 'em!!)

Lots of AFFF foam.
Are there any environmental considerations to consider before drowning it in foam. Many countries world wide are making fire departments more accountable in relation to the use of foam. From memory, the Buncefield fire in the UK saw no foam applied for 48 hours until they had addressed all the run off issues, had containment, etc

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Permalink Reply by lutan1 on August 20, 2008 at 5:38pm

Here's afew links with some great photos to give you some different perspectives on the incident....

http://www.theage.com.au/photogallery/2007/03/23/1174597858267.html...

and also

http://www.theage.com.au/photogallery/2007/03/23/1174597838978.html...


FYI, the day this accident happened, from memory it was really high 30's, possibly low 40's (Celsius) in temperature, which creates issues for evacuees, etc

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Permalink Reply by lutan1 on August 21, 2008 at 5:21pm

Sorry, should clarify that Buncefiueld was a refinery, not a tunnel. But the Environmental issues are still needing to be addressed by many countries...

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Permalink Reply by lutan1 on August 21, 2008 at 6:22pm

I'm hearing ya', but like many other do-gooders in power, they don't always see the whole picture or from the different perspectives, such as the FF's.

Check out this one if you haven't seen it-
http://www.buncefieldinvestigation.gov.uk/index.htm

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Permalink Reply by lutan1 on August 21, 2008 at 6:27pm

Ed, check out this report- http://www.buncefieldinvestigation.gov.uk/reports/preparedness.pdf

It talks about the environmental issues, concerns and recommendations in relation to the use of foam.

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Permalink Reply by lutan1 on August 21, 2008 at 6:35pm

Ed, I think you've raised a great few points about environmental stuff so I started a topic about it here http://www.firefighternation.com/forum/topic/show?id=889755%3ATopic...

I'm really curious what others think on the same topic....

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