Did you You know this is a law.. I did not

Fire truck law alarming firefighters
Commercial license needed to return equipment to firehouse

By JORDAN CARLEO-EVANGELIST, Staff writer
First published in print: Friday, February 20, 2009

ALBANY — Firefighters across the state are roaring for the repeal of a little-understood section of vehicle and traffic law that allows them to drive their fire trucks to the scene of an emergency — but not drive them back unless they have a commercial driver's license.

The implications of the law went virtually unrealized for four years. In theory, hundreds or even thousands of firefighters are unwittingly breaking it every day.

"Not only can't we drive the truck back, we can't train the guy to drive to the emergency," said Thomas LaBelle, executive director of the New York State Association of Fire Chiefs, one of several statewide groups lobbying for an immediate change.

"The St. Patrick's Day Parade is going to look a little different without any fire trucks in it," he added.

Most firefighters — paid as well as volunteer — don't have commercial licenses because the fire service was for years exempted from CDL requirements.

But in 2005, in response to what LaBelle described as a tighter federal highway standards, the state Legislature amended the exemption to include only "emergency operation."

Lawyers for fire departments and their interest groups have interpreted that to mean that firefighters without CDLs cannot legally drive the trucks any other time.

The concern is if a returning fire truck driver is involved in an accident, the operator will be considered driving out of class, which could affect liability, LaBelle said.

"We have this technically absurd situation where a volunteer firefighter could drive a fire truck on an emergency basis to a fire but, under the strictest interpretation of the law, they couldn't drive it back to the firehouse because it's not an emergency," said state Sen. Brian X. Foley, D-Brookhaven.

The issue came to light after it was raised late last year by fire officials in Foley's Suffolk County district. Foley has introduced a bill that would restore the full exemption.

Albany County Legislator Carl Zeilman, a volunteer firefighter in Colonie, says he will call on county attorneys and the sheriff's department to counsel local fire crews on the meaning and implications of the law.

Albany Fire Department Chief Robert Forezzi Sr. said training all 239 of his members and pay for them to obtain their CDLs would be costly, and could raise labor issues.

Jennifer Donovan, a spokeswoman for the state Department of Motor Vehicles, noted language restoring non-CDL-licensed firefighters' ability to return equipment is included in Gov. David Paterson's budget plan.

"If all the fire departments actually shut down today, there would be immediate action," said LaBelle, whose organization recently issued a statewide bulletin raising the alarm. "But we're not going to do that. That's not who we are."

Jordan Carleo-Evangelist can be reached at 454-5445 or jcarleo-evangelist@timesunion.com.

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Comment by Cory on February 23, 2009 at 6:16am
Why does our legislators not have common since, is it that hard to find anymore? And I hope the cops in the states that do have this law are smart enough to say whatever, I've got better stuff to do with my time than go find out if a FF has a CDL or not.
Comment by Paul Kerp on February 21, 2009 at 4:54am
Yes this has been going on for a while now, Any driver operating a vehicle with a rating of 1 ton or above is required to have a CDL this is a DOT regulation, even fire apparatus inroute to a call, it is still a truck on a public roadway. Florida has required a CDL since the late 90's, we also have to complete the EVOC course.

Be Safe!
Comment by Patrick on February 20, 2009 at 11:35pm
Does anyone know if this the same for OHIO???
Comment by FETC on February 20, 2009 at 6:57pm
I brought this up on here a while ago. Yes this is the law where I work as well.
Comment by BillySFCVFD on February 20, 2009 at 9:56am
We talked about this before in a earlier post Anne. The important part is getting the truck to the scene and hopefully driven by a licensed (CDL) driver if available. If a FD doesn't plan on that it could find them in a situation in which the law was designed for by allowing "someone" to drive with just a non-CDL. This law wasn't intended as an exemption just a temporary waiver in emergencies only. After the fire is out a FD could find a CDL holding driver to take it back to the station if it has a plan in place. As far as cost for training more drivers, the expense in civil court would be more.

My VFD has three CDL holding FFs. I haven't yet but I might need to drive the "big" truck to a scene some day, after that if one of the three don't respond I will call them and wait. TCSS
Comment by Kimberly A Bownas on February 20, 2009 at 7:50am
Interesting Anne, I didn't know this either. I wonder how many others don't know this. I think everyone just assumed that if you drive the truck to the call you can drive it back, that does make sense and this new development doesn't at all. Hope they get it straightened out. Thanks Anne for the information...

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