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Water. On-board or hydrant?
In one of Chris Naum's threads, there are people talking about getting water into the pump. Some attack immediately with the water on-board, others will always get a line to a hydrant to guarantee water right from the start. With us, the first pumper on-scene will start an attack first, if crew are available (this depends on how many made it for the first truck and what tasks have to be performed) then someone will be dragging a feed line to the nearest hydrant. However, the second pumper is usually right behind the first and will normally run a feed line to the first pumper to add their on-board supply, giving a little time to the hydrant crew. Do any other people do things this way? Feed the second in vehicle's water into the first arriving?
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Permalink Reply by greg on
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Fire type, structure ect. First in fight with water onboard ,second in hydrant , then supply 1st, from 2cd. in most situation. 2cd due in how long? several factors to be considered, but for most situations with adequate water supply an initial knock down with first apparatus on scene is appropriate. I have seen situations that where " Textbook" go to hell in a hurry and one must be prepared as always to ajust accordingly. Most important thing to remember in my book is an appropriate scene size up by the first apparatus on scene.
G.K.
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Permalink Reply by Erick Wendler on
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first due engine starts the attack 2nd in company sets up to catch hydrant
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Permalink Reply by paula beckham on
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if we are going into a structure the water is established first as our nearest backup is half a hour away there is no luxuary of a second crew to do it for us one thing that is good is hydrants here are only 100 meters apart so generally speaking its only 2 lenghts of feeder hose and a stand pipe into the hydrant pretty quick to set up
if we are out of town we carry portable pumps to draught straight from dams and streams to the engine otherwise again the tankers are half an hour away.
we have attacked fires without water established when this happens our oic has us on a tight leash and will pull us out when we are down to a third of a tank giving us enough water to cover our exit this method has proved to be quite sucessfull on those occasions when used we have managed to knock the fire down before being pulled out
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Permalink Reply by Reg Mathis on
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On SFU calls, we will lay in on the way in. If we have heavy smoke or fire showing, as soon as I get the truck in pump gear and while the attack team is packing up, I will deploy the attack line to the door and charge it. Immediately followed by establishing supply.
We are a small, rural, vollie dept, so 2nd due can be from 5 to 15 minutes out.
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Permalink Reply by Dennis Brown on
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All depends on call vics trap roll right in let other engine hit the plug and if your the only engine its best to drop line at plug then drag it if you need it its there and why would have 2engine feed you off there tank water when its just as easy to hit the plug and supply you
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Permalink Reply by Tony P on
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Something that's showing up is places who's back-up is not on-scene right behind the first truck in. I've always been in urban Brigades, and we're very lucky in having very quick back-up.
Knowing that there is likely to NOT be another truck right behind you really has to control how you do things! It shows that people learn how to use what they've got, how important it is to make sure that a feed is run from a hydrant as quickly as possible. And if there is no support, no hydrants, then how to use what you've got safely - very important! Thanks for that PaulR.
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Permalink Reply by Fireyladd - Retired Chief Sharp on
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Tony, we do as you do. The first in truck (1000 Ga) will start the attack and either someone will jack a line back or the 2nd in truck will bring in a line to supply the first truck. Depending on the size-up by the 1st responding Officer the first truck may drop a line from the nearest hydrant and providing we have adequate staff will leave someone at the hydrant to hook it up and charge the line.
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Permalink Reply by Mick Shelley on
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First Engine in will start the attack, and the second engine will pick up the hydrant,
and lay the supply line for both engines.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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We most of the time have to set up a portable pond next to our engine and feed it with tankers (rural firefighting at its best....LOL) We start with what we have on board and then set the pond up....its quite a show but we have been at it for years and have gotten pretty good at it.....
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Hatfield on
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It depends what type of fire you have, if it is a contents fire in the back bedroom then you have more then enough water on your Engine to put it out, are there people trapped ? if so then again go in with the water on the truck, your Pump Operator with let you know when you are at Half a tank and 1/4 tank, On our department it is called a fast attack, if you get inside and realize there is more then just contents burning then may want to back out till you have a supply.
It all boils down to how your department has decided to do the job, I personally have fast attacked fully involved rooms with only the supply of the Engines tank, you can do alot with little water.
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Permalink Reply by Shareef Abdu Nur on
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We make the initial attack with the booster tank of the 1st due Engine. The job of the 2nd due Engine is to help the Operator of the 1st due establish a water supply, after which the 2nd due Engine Co will stretch a back up line to support the intitial attack crew.
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