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Training And How Others Feel About It
Anyone can ride a Fire Engine, blow the siren and even "dress up"in some bunker gear... But it is TRAINING that helps turn that "anyone " into a Firefighter Who Actually Has A Clue,On What To Actually Do..
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Permalink Reply by Norm Tindell on
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I'm still, after all these years, preaching to the choir. The same people show up for nearly every training meeting. We're trying to motivate with more variety in the training process. Hope it helps.
Who's that on my leg!?!?!?
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Permalink Reply by Fireyladd - Retired Chief Sharp on
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Ok I'll say it! Training is a big waste of time!
Yup! If you dont think its important an you dont show up or participate it is a waste of our time.
There is nothing more important to a agency then training. That includes the oldest member to the youngest or newest person. It is sad that some feel they dont need to train or they already know it or the proverbial "we've done that before". You respond the way you train and you train the way you respond. Everyone needs your participation and involvement in the departments training. So what if you've done it before. The ones who havnt need your support to learn and understand and better to see you doing it and show some leadership. On my Department if you dont show up for drills you wont be responding to calls. You dont have one without the other.
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Permalink Reply by Brian Mackie on
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and THAT folks, is why he is a Chief! Wish I had something more to contribute but you said it all. Perhaps the people that decide not to ever take part in training or practice ( there is a difference between the two) will realize they might be more of a liability to the organization that they are an asset, and perhaps will just go away, and make room for someone who wants to learn and do.
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Permalink Reply by Sparky3317 on
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This is a quote from a training website called Traditions Training:
"Let no mans ghost say his training let him down"
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Permalink Reply by Jeremy Pickett on
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We have a problem on my department with people that want to show up to calls but not to drills. So if procedures change or we add new procedures they miss out completely. We have a disagreement in our management. One of our officers thinks that if you don't come to a certain amount of drills a month you should be kicked off the department. Another officer thinks that since it's all volunteer, the department can't make you come to drills and should not punish you for missing. I think if you don't have training, how will you know what to do on a scene?
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Love it! Thanks, Josh.
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Permalink Reply by Derek R. on
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in the end.... you have the right to refuse what you think is unsafe work. If you feel that working with someone who isn't trained or hasn't been going to trainings is unsafe, get another partner. I won't put my life in the hands of someone who thinks they know it all and doesn't train. They just end up as a liability. The end.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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Well not to blow my own horn....BUT...I feel pretty confident that I can make the right calls and perform duties that might be required at most calls (No-one can know enough for all calls)........BUT...Then again I am a training addict.....if a course or a skill or a drill is being offerred then my name is toward the top of the list to take it..."Train as if your life depends on it....because it does"
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Permalink Reply by Russ on
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i have observed that there is such a thing as being burnt out on training. i made the mistake of saying that once and was asked to explain myself. I believe that there should be a clear definiton here. (to me)- TRAINING is the free exchange of ideas that become current proceedures. DRILLING is a review to test knowlodge of current department regulations and SOP's. After "X" amout of years i believe that training should be tiered that is geared to the audience. a ten year vet does not need a review on how to throw ladders. he or she may need "drilling" on how to pack hose. in my case i brought up that a railroad ran through our district and since i have been employed i have spent more time being drilled on department regs than i have being trained on hazards and control techniques. the T.O. said i was being "elitest" and "ordered" me to design courses on subjects i thought the department needed. after comming up with enough for a "year-(s)". i was asked why i was doing the TO's job? i said at the time because he was not doing it. i took a lot of heat but the folks liked the training because it incorporated drill subjects. and was not boring. The TO got pissed that i had other guys doing training subjects they liked and had to admit to the chief that it was his idea to ask me to do what was going on. it became a "thing" for a while and he never got over it and spent alot of time messing with me but i thought the guy had it comming. i thought you wanted to become a TO because you wanted the challenge, not just the rank to spend years drilling troops on whats alredy in SOP's
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Permalink Reply by Roy Walker on
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As a trainer you will learn as much as anyone does and training needs to be documented and tested. If an individual feels he knows a skill ,a test will prove or disprove it. Miss or fail enough tests in a period of time ,probation could be used to bring an individual up to speed. If they can't make the grade then maybe you are better,/safer without them and a ruling should be made as to weather more training is needed or perhaps dismissal of an individual is in order. Mind the SOPs must reflect this idea.
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Hey Capt...please do NOT stereotype all Volunteers by one group of morons....as you may/or may not have noticed many of us have at least as much (if not more) training than our Brothers and Sisters in the "Career" field....and I for one Sir, take offense at the insinuations made. I consider myself and the members of my Department just as "professional" and just as good as any Department...and I would feel quite comfortable putting then up against anyone. We train hard, we train regularly and we train like it is the real thing....we have a small rural department (Volunteer) of 43 members and ever single Firefighter has at least FFI,EVOC and Firefighter survival...the people that have been around for a bit have Tech Rescue and Pump ops....thos of us that really get into it have many..many more...
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Russ you are not only wrong but rather dead wrong...EVERYONE needs to review training on a regular basis...I don't care if you are a probie or a 20 year vet....Training is what saves lives....we get so engrossed with the latest and greatest that we sometimes forget the basics....We had training a month or so back hooking hydrants and running the pumps...pretty basic...? Yes...could it save a life sometime...? Most certainly...The basics are what will save your butt...Train as if your life depends on it....because it does.....Just my look at it............Paul
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