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Proper apparatus terminology
I live in New Castle County Delaware. We have engines rescues and ladders. An occasional tanker from down state. I do get around a little but lately I've been reading about other terms for apparatus. So maybe we can get some proper definition. I'm not going to list pumper, engine, squrt, snorkel or bronto but how about these;
Wagon
Squad
Rescue
Ladder
Truck
Tender
Tanker
Any others I missed?
Wagon
Squad
Rescue
Ladder
Truck
Tender
Tanker
Any others I missed?
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Permalink Reply by Timothy Overly on
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Ladder Tower
Tower Ladder
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Permalink Reply by Flyinghi72 on
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I would like to offer just some minor corrections to the definitions given. A quint has to have a minimum of a 300 gallons( I know whats 50 gallons), a ladder (aerial device) must have a minimum of a 50 foot and it can have a pump. this information is in NFPA 1901.
Ken Holland
www.fireservicetoday.org
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Permalink Reply by FETC on
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Most 75' Ladder Trucks are actually 65' and take credit for the turn table being 10' off the ground.
That my friend is Reality - LOL
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Permalink Reply by Just Plain Craig Moyer on
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When we first got our Seagrave we would be called for "Tank Wagon" assist because it has 1000 gallons. haven't heard that term in quite a while.
Funny story. During an officer class at fire school we had a young man from PA acting a logistics officer. We used Kent County companies for apparatus. Well during the exercise we needed tankers. Kent county only had 6 at the time but by the end of the exercise we had 15 on scene. When questioned about this he was sending engines with 750 gallons and over as tankers, not the 1500 gallons we needed.
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Permalink Reply by Tony P on
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I have a question that goes with this thread (sorry Craig).
Where is the line drawn to show whether a truck is called a 'tanker' or a 'tender'? I know that 'tender' is a west coast thing and that the eastern states call the same vehicle a 'tanker', but where is the line? The Rockies? Just curiosity of course as none of it affects us (NFPA? Who?).
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Permalink Reply by Chief 29 on
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What I find annoying is when a company purchases a combination tool and puts it on their engine they automatically want the identifier to be Rescue-Engine. One tool doesn't make it a rescue. Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know there is a required amount of equipment required to be considered a rescue. Such as cribbing,air bags,full compliment of extrication tools (cutters,spreaders,rams) and so on.
My point is that if you want to give your rig a specific designation you need to be sure it meets the standards of the designation you give it.
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Permalink Reply by Floyd Aldridge Jr on
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Ok Big City stuff!!
Wagon/Engine- The Water guys
Ladder/Truck- The Ladder guys
Tower- The Bucket boys
Rescue/Squad or Rescue Squad- The Big Tool box
Ambulance/AMBO/BUS/ The EMS guys
Tanker/Tank Wagon- The portable hydrants
Oh I forgot, The real truck-TDA= IT BENDS IN DA MIDDLE!!
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Permalink Reply by CW on
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Hey A rookie on My Truck (L12) check Me on the term Quint, da other day, He looked it up & stated that a Quint has 5 unique characteristic's 1. Ladder 2. Supply hose 3. Water 4. Pump Panel & 5. I wanna say he said Attack Line. I'll get with U guys after shift Friday Morning and Make sure tht was the 5th item tht he tld Me
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Permalink Reply by BillySFCVFD on
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My mate Tony,
We call our large water hauling trucks tankers here in northeast Texas and we are as far from the east coast of the USA as we are from the west. Maybe farther north and/or west.
Now I'm one for standard terms when it comes to high level mutual aid to avoid confusion so I guess if we request tankers at a scene under NIMS we might have to look towards the sky for arrival. Saying truck tanker might work. haha TCSS
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Permalink Reply by Doug Clifton on
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By NFPA and NIMS a Tanker is a aircraft used in wildland fire fighting ( believes it comes from the military)to carry water and a Water Tender is a truck that carries water only. My department uses Engine tanker squad (for our car) bruch truck. Our engine is actually classified as a Pumper/Tanker 1500 gal. of dumpable water. I think but can not remember but I think NFPA says it has to hold 500gal and a pump size of 750gal per minute to be a engine or pumper
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan on
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we call our pumper/tankers Tankers because they hold 1500gal of water but pump more than 750g/m, carry extrication tools, lots of supply and attack line, and extra SCBA bottles. Its basically an engine with a bigger tank. We also call our Tenders(3000gal water tank with no pump or other type of equiptment) a Tanker as well just because they are kept at our Tanker Company Stations (3 stations a total of 6 pumper/tankers, 2 tenders, 2 service trucks, 1 brush truck, and 1 chiefs truck) Our brush truck is a 4x4 ford f-550 with a 4man cab that has a minipump on the back that can pump water or foam. it carries all extrication tools needed, mounted flood lights, mounted winch, even has a working am/fm radio so we can listen to music on the way back to the station. down here in the south we use em to get to the big grass fires and other types of fires that you just can't get a full-sized rig out to. and man is it fun to drive, fully loaded it'll go 85+mph.
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