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Hey all. Looking for input and ideas. We are trying to convince our rural board that we need fire shelters for each our members. Living out here in the plains of Colorado, these grass fire move very fast. Cost it the biggest factor but it's worth for one life. Secondly, they think that only those that fight big forest fires need these only. Tell me your thoughts and is there a company you would recommend. I am a firm believer of them but I can't persuade them to purchase them. Thanks for all input, whether it's good or bad.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Acosta on
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Excellent, thanks.
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Permalink Reply by Wade Seely on
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Paul
I grew up in Ft. Morgan and have seen some of the grass fires out that way, if at all possible convince your board to get them for you. Knowing the people of Brush I would think that they would be all for it if it came down to asking for donations.
I remeber a fire about 10 yrs. ago north of there at New Raymer; the wind got a hold of it and and burned a few hundred acres. No one was hurt but some ranchers lost a lot of cattle and good pasture land. When asking for donations you may talk to some of the ag groups for help, the cooperative extension office may be able to help with contacts or ideas.
Hope this helps a little
TCSS
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Permalink Reply by John L. VanAuken on
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I agree with a lot of the posts fire shelters are a must, and if have wildland lands in your area, and may be called to fight it, would be smart to get the best and the new updated ones. We on our Dept. have the old style, and with the new regs from the feds they are not to be used anymore. We are ourselfs trying to get our board to allow us to get new but is tough. Also the BLM and Forest Service from what I hear wont even let you on a fire if dont have the new fire shelters. Plus think about the backlash if by chance the old did fail, or worse yet, dident have one to begin with, if where to become traped and need it. Bottom line get them and stress it, as said show them the vid, better to come home alive then in a bag, or with life changing scars.
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Permalink Reply by Wyld_fyr on
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On any wildland fire they wont let you on the fire if you dont have one. Its a mandatory part of your PPE. Its not just CA, I believe its national.
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Permalink Reply by Mike Schlags (Captain Busy) Retd on
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Paul, If you are planning on taking the video I provided you on this link to the board meeting, you may have to contend with connectivity issues if you are dependent upon the internet. I went ahead and ripped the presentation and converted it to both windows and quicktime formats, not knowing what system you are using. It's important to download these onto a flash drive and then copy them onto your hard drive desktop. Run the video at least once to lock it into the memory. This ensures a more smooth presentation verses the video pausing and waiting to catch up... Having your own copy will make a difference. And it also provides others access to this video when not online.
Learn something new everyday!
TCSS,
CBz - Attachments:
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OCFD_Burnover.mov, 16.4 MB -
OCFD_Burnover.mp4, 15.6 MB
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Permalink Reply by Greg Nienstedt on
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Have you ever thought of getting FR Suits and Hoods for your firefighters. Check out this web site. www.tanksfrgear.com . I dont know what the shelters cost but you could protect your people with FR suits. Check out the the web site and let me know.
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On the surface, this looks like a pretty cool advance in PPE. My question is however, how does TECGEN® fiber compare to Nomex / Aramid fibers? The things that we see being used for PPE need to be compared and tested by an independent laboratory to provide non-influenced answers. If you and your company do this, you may have a better chance at convincing firefighters to switch to your product(s). What you are going against of course is the yellow nomex USFS spec gear used nationally. Which leads me to the big question, is your product less money or more? I know you have to make an official inquiry and it goes against businesses and how they do business... of course your not suppose to market your product on this website either... lol
Final question Greg for you to ask is how does it stand up to physical damage. No where on your company website does it indicate ripstop construction or it's durability. Something can be super flame and heat resistant, all good stuff for heat stress but if the integrity of the PPE is compromised, well... you know the rest.
I don't mind busting your chops a little bit here, having spent time in my departments logistics section and working on my departments apparatus and equipment committee for most of my 28 year career. We did product specifications for vendors to bid. Having over 200 firefighters means that we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on PPE and equipment. The latest SCBA and station compressor upgrades using Draeger SCBA's was well over one-million dollars alone.
It's tough to get your stuff out there but if you can make comparisons that make it worthwhile for folks to look at your stuff, you just might break through the types of things we all typically see for PPE.
TCSS,
CBz
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Permalink Reply by Tommy Hawkins on
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Paul,
I have been fighting wildland fires for near 25 years all over this great nation, I have seen the time when fire shelter were not required, too today where every Firefighter on the wildland fire is required to have a fire shelter on. Safety has come a long way in 25 years for a reason. They are expensive to purchase, but like you said how much is a human life worth. one source you might consider is checking with your local State Forestry Agency or USFS. they have a federal contract with GSA (General Services Administration), they may be able to assist you with your purchase at a Goverment rates. Good luck and be Safe
Tommy Hawkins
Chief Ranger Sr.
Georgia Forestry Commission
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The part about GSA is the most important thing. Once you get accepted on this listing, your world should rock! Chief Hawkins is right on the money here.
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Permalink Reply by Vic Silverfish on
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We don't carry or issue personal shelters in NSW, but I think we work off of our trucks more than you guys do in the US. Our vehicles are designed to be shelters, complete with crew protection water curtains and speciliased body construction. Our SOPs dictate that we fight from the black side of bush fire, or from a safe location (such as a road) if possible.
Next time I'm in the US, I'll try to visit a couple of bushfire stations to learn a bit about US tactics.
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Special Request: Can someone that has a PC please download these videos and report back if you are able to open these files. Thanks so much in advance. CBz
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