Anyone with Petrochemical or Industrial Firefighting Experience?


Like a lot of folks here on the FFN, I have made friends all over the world through the FFN. I have been in communication with a member from a middle eastern country with limited resources and access due to it's location, which is very close to some of the most dangerous geographical areas on the planet, with the exception of Japan... 

I want to help this guy help his department move forward with learning more about fire suppression and tactics as well as many other topics, dependent upon the input I hope to get from others out there involved with petrochemical firefighting. Additionally, I would like to be able to suggest international training options if anyone knows about what's out there.

The below information provides a listing of what training has been provided to date. What we are looking for are other topics, classes and training direction those with experience can recommend.

• BLEVE Hazards & Control
• Firefighter PPE & Equipment
• Firefighting Strategy & Tactics
• Fixed Facility Fire Protection Systems
• High Angle Rescue
• LNG-LPG Hazards & Control
• Petrochemical Plant Firefighting Equipment
• Storage Tank Emergencies & Control

I want to thank those responding in advance for any assistance or input you can provide. At this point, the only information I have to go on is the punch list provided above. Please help me help others make a difference. It's what we are suppose to do...

In the interest of fire, life and environmental safety, Stay Safe!

CBz

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Permalink Reply by Mike Schlags (Captain Busy) Retd on March 31, 2011 at 7:08pm


Hello? Anyone out there? I am asking for assistance and understand that unless I do something here, this like other threads that deal with actual firefighting will by buried in FFN cyberspace.

So here's the question, if the post is not a word game or name that caption type, what is the purpose for folks coming here to the FFN? If someone asks for help, why don't people have the decency to at least post that they don't have a clue, or something like that...

How do you not know that a company is not at this very moment waiting to read and see posts from firefighters on the FFN to offer them a job that pays over 100K per year, with benefits and paid vacation time... You just don't really know what taking a risk, expressing your opinion and manning up to helping someone out might just unlock doors that you never thought would be possible. Ever do you homework regarding how much petrochemical fire protection folks make annually?

If you are comfortable with your current status in life, really don't want to be a firefighter and just like pretending to be one online, then don't post a reply here. If you know me through the FFN, I challenge you to at least stop the existing FFN practice of ignoring posts because it didn't look "fun".

Be careful what you wish for here on the FFN. If you want to only support fun and games, then the demographics of the site have changed considerably.

Perhaps some of the folks posting lately are right? Bye-bye FFN...

CBz
Permalink Reply by Wade Seely on March 31, 2011 at 8:05pm
Capt Bzy

I am trying to figure out how to upload an acrobat file for this post but am having issues.

Every year here in Colorado, Suncor Energy, a refinery here along our front range putson a flmammable liquids training for all of the sorrounding departments. It is a very well put together training and I believe that something similar may be a great experience for your friend. I will contiue to try to upload the flyer.
Permalink Reply by Wade Seely on March 31, 2011 at 8:07pm
Sorry about the typos, i think I need to clean my keyboard.
Permalink Reply by Norm Tindell on March 31, 2011 at 8:22pm
Without a doubt the most valuable training we have available here in Texas is Texas A&M Fire Training Center in College Station, Texas. The outreach agency there is called the Texas Engineering Extension Service (TEEX). Both organizations provide the highest quality training experiences, many of which are hands on all the way. Everything from rescue to refinery firefighting. They seem to have a lot of international visitors in many of their classes.
Permalink Reply by FETC on March 31, 2011 at 8:33pm
Foam Solutions; AFFF, AR, and/or ATC
Big Water Operations - Water Supply - Municipal LDH
Principles of Air Monitoring - CGI multi gas meters
Properties of Fammable, Combustible, Ethanol Liquid Emergencies
Hazardous Materials Technician
Personal Safety / Rehabilitation (Long Incidents in Industrial Setting)

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Permalink Reply by Tyler Lyons on March 31, 2011 at 8:49pm
Miami International just had a big fire in their fuel storage area. 14 fuel pumps involved. They do have their action plan, NIMS paperwork...201,202, and other stuff I can't remember. I will try and send them to you Mon. They are on my work computer or hopefully someone from Miami Dade is on here and can do that. I can send you an SOP for our Fuel Tank farm. Its a start. I have only fought one Tank fire and that was at the Texaco plant in Wichiat Falls, Texas in 1993.
Permalink Reply by Jack/dt on March 31, 2011 at 10:14pm
If you're trying to upload a PDF, just click on the Upload Files in the bottom left of the reply box. Click Browse locate the file you want to upload and click.
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Permalink Reply by Jack/dt on March 31, 2011 at 10:19pm
Mike,
How about changing the title of your post to something that will draw those with the necessary expertise:
"Anyone with Petrochemical or Industrial Firefighting Experience?"
Also, is it ONLY petrochemical firefighting or are there other areas looking to be filled in?

Also, in Groups I found this - http://www.pennwellblogs.com/fireengineering/simulations/
Might be something worth looking into.

Also, I have 2 PPT on reading smoke (made available online by BC Dave Dobson) and a 4 part video on "Avoiding the Disorientation Hazard".
Permalink Reply by Wade Seely on March 31, 2011 at 10:39pm
The Dave Dobson course is great, we had him out to our department for a training a couple of years ago. It is a very good training and well worth time.
Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on March 31, 2011 at 11:00pm
Dobson's power points and videos are great.

One of the key concepts - rookies watch the fire.

Officers and senior firefighters should watch the smoke.
Permalink Reply by Roy Walker on April 1, 2011 at 3:06am
Bz you seem to be getting the resulte you need from this site. I have benifitted from a lot of good advice and wish that I could help you out but I am as far removed from petrochemical fires as you can get. The only thing I can offer is that if you contact the Lampton Fire College in lampton Ontario Canada, They teach all the coarses for the Sarnia refineries and may be of some assistances.
Permalink Reply by DUST on April 1, 2011 at 6:51am
There have been more than 68 firefighter LODD fighting petroleum storage tank fires world wide.
Storage Tank Emergencies by Red Hat Publishing is not a fun read but I would still highly recommend the book if you have flammable and combustible liquid storage tanks in your area.

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