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Another question about Volunteer Fire Depts
Does any fire department let noncertified fire dept members ride on trucks even if it's not a emergency? Let them be on the fire ground or ems scene?
We do not and if someone with a higher certification is on station you get bumped off the truck. The first thing we teach is CPR/AED but even with this you not allowed on a ems scene or on a truck.
I was wondering how other departments work.
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Permalink Reply by Nate on
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Our department won't let anyone do anything until they have completed their 160 hr FF1 class. After that, they are a probie for a year, and then it just keeps on going. But members in training are always welcome to come help wash the trucks and do morning truck checks. No better way to learn the location of all of the tools. Heck, that's how I learned
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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Yes, if it is NOT an emergency any member of the Department can ride....BUT...A FULL crew is always on board in case we get called and they have all their turnout gear with them.
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Permalink Reply by Just Plain Craig Moyer on
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We used to do 2 for 1 and that FF had to stay with the driver. We had Cadets with red helmets and every once and while I would come up to drive and see a bunch of red helmets trying to look innocent.
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Permalink Reply by David Francis on
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we don't let them ride on the rig even to training until they are full members, to much liability
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Permalink Reply by Art "ChiefReason" Goodrich on
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No.
I'm a trustee and I don't even get to ride anymore.
Reasons are many.
Non-certified, inactive, retired, restricted are all reasons to stay at the station.
Lots to do there.
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Permalink Reply by Reg Mathis on
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So if they are not certified, and remain at the station during the call, and a hose rack falls on them, they aren't covered?
Something sounds fishy here. If they are listed members, certified or awaiting certification, they should be covered during ANY department evolution they attend.
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Permalink Reply by K. Doerksen #23 on
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Our department runs basically the same way. Except that there needs to be a Certified level 3 First Responder on the truck for all medical and MVI calls. The first responding captian sits in the passenger side and usually delegates who or what is to do be done. Newer members get bumped if more senior members show up. Our new recruits have to complete their three month probationary period before they get a pager and are able to respond. If they do make it to the hall they will standby and record radio transmissions and help with clean up after the call when the trucks return. With our department training is few and far between so anytime there is a chance for observation on a scene or seeing how ICS works is always a positive. We will take any help we can get. You do need to have Live Fire level 1 before you are put on an attack team. We also just recently certified two of our FR3 to be trainers so that they can officially train and test the rest of us in our department. It saves time and money waiting for a course and traveling day or so to a major city who offers it. By spring time we should have everyone FR3 certified. ( except for the new recruits).
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Permalink Reply by Patti Walz on
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Mine does. We have a support crew that will do ride alongs with the EMT's so that they can get hands on knowledge. I started going to drills and calls six months before even starting academy. I guess it just depends on your department and what their SOP's are.
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Before I went into academy I knew how to run the pumps, load hose, throw a pack, take a hydrant, etc.... My first fire was a grassland, and the second was a house fire. In between those two was car accidents and medical runs. I did whatever my CO told me to do, asked questions, reviewed scenes on the way back from the call, and noted what we may need to take in on the way to a call.
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Permalink Reply by Jon on
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We let them ride. Never turn down help offered cheerfully or otherwise.
We have a simple rule, don't do anything that you aren't trained to do. There are so many things on scene that a non-certified person can do. Including, guiding tankers as they back in, fetching tools, communication, lifing assistance (ems), helping with re-hab, traffic control, keeping bystanders back, and a host of others.
After the exicitement dies down spend time talking them through "why" and "how", if it was a fire that all that is left is the foundation let them get some nozzle time (with a certified FF right next to them).
I want my young guys at a scene to learn.
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Permalink Reply by 55 TRUCK on
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You could do what many Dept. Paid and Vol. Do. Have a waiver form for them to sign. This should take care of any Booboos they might incure on the scene. You should also set strict guidlines they must follow. send emailes and mail etc. To all firefighters to let them know what the ride out person can and can't do. This way you don't get a person who's been out deer hunting for the past week coming on a run and not knowing what the new potential member can and can't do.
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Permalink Reply by Gavin Misko on
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Yes in our dept. we let other members (not fire members, but members of the dept. Like the ladies who we have cook etc.) ride on the truck. They our allowed. Now to a scene, no they can. And we don't usually ever bump anyone off a truck. If its a structure fire. They are needed just as much as anyone else. To get supply's etc.
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