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Acquired Structure/Live Burning Training-Should You?
Added the link to the document:http://www.in.gov/dhs/files/nfpa1403.pdf
I have a blog posted that discusses the training death of Baltimore City FD Fire Paramedic Apprentice Rachel Wilson.
NFPA 1403 discourages the use of acquired structures and especially if you have a certified burn tower available to you.
So, my question to this group is: do you use acquired structures for training and do you follow NFPA 1403 when you do?
Here is the link to my blog: http://www.firefighternation.com/profiles/blogs/baptism-by-fire-or-...
TCSS.
Art
I have a blog posted that discusses the training death of Baltimore City FD Fire Paramedic Apprentice Rachel Wilson.
NFPA 1403 discourages the use of acquired structures and especially if you have a certified burn tower available to you.
So, my question to this group is: do you use acquired structures for training and do you follow NFPA 1403 when you do?
Here is the link to my blog: http://www.firefighternation.com/profiles/blogs/baptism-by-fire-or-...
TCSS.
Art
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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Firedog,
Being unfamiliar with the structural layout is a violation of NFPA 1403.
1403 specifies that all firefighters and instructors who will be involved in the interior burn MUST do a walk-through and be familiarized with the interior layout prior to any live fire training.
Burn building fire training is not designed to be completely realistic. That is intentional.
Realistic fires kill and injure firefighters. That's not the point when you're training, especially when you're training recruits. The point is to make the training as realistic as possible while maintaining safety margins that do not injure or kill firefighters during training.
Ben
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In South Carolina, not only do we have to be in compliance with 1403, it is illegal to burn a structure for the purpose of destroying it, per state environmental standards. That tends to require a lot of hydraulic overhaul and lots of rubble being hauled off after training is complete.
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Permalink Reply by Chief 29 on
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Funny that this discussion came up. My company had just acquired a structure. The owner (Texas Eastern Pipeline Company) Has given us permission to do whatever we want to the home except burn it due to its proximity to their pumping station. Our plans are to use it for search and rescue training and things of that nature and possibly a mock fire letting others step up and play command while we the officers step back and let them have a go at it. Giving them the experience to work with mutual aid companies and setting up a safe and organized scene is priceless. I can't wait, I love to train as well as most of my guys.
Is there anything I need to be aware of with 1403 if we are not burning?
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It does beg the question...
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Permalink Reply by firedog14 on
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Ben,
What i was trying to say is the layout is not "burnt" into memory like a burn building when doing drills.
We follow 1403 when we do our live fire trainings.
I should have clarified also that we do the search and rescue and team building exercises with blacked out masks and a smoke machine, NOT during live fire exercises.
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Permalink Reply by turk182 on
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We use to use aquired structures but do not anymore. We have two burn towers near us and use them for structaul burn classes now.
We had one last summer we were supposed to use but once we got to the house we decided the conditions were not safe and just burned it down for the home owner.
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Permalink Reply by reece on
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we do not use them for live burns just everything else that has been mentioned, just like oldman mentioned, epa and everything we would have to do to get one ready to burn. just is not worth the time and money that it would take to get everything hauled off
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Permalink Reply by PFC Harmon on
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We had a house donated to us, instead if burning it once we use it over and over again by burning hay in a fifty gallon drum. We do everything safe, I'm not sure about the 1403 standards but I will read them to make sure. That's the great thing about this site, Thanks and stay safe.
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Permalink Reply by FETC on
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Art,
Yes we burn in acquired structures when available and Yes we use NFPA 1403 right down to the letter. This LODD report and tragedy was not a NFPA 1403 burn. Here is just one of many problems identified during the investigation.
Multiple Fires started in Multiple Locations of the building.
This is a basic no/no and very dangerous when performing acquired structure live fire training,
Godspeed Racheal
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Permalink Reply by Art "ChiefReason" Goodrich on
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Yeah;
We had our "come to Jesus" after Bradley Golden died in Lairdsville on September 25, 2001.
No more funny stuff after that.
TCSS.
Art
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Permalink Reply by Jason Brooks on
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If the remediation is that intense that they destroy walls, we will not burn the house. We have passed on houses for various reasons. If I walk into a proposed structure and the hair stands up on the back of my neck, we pass. My Spidey sense is pretty good.
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1403 is the live burn standard. But, be aware that you cannot even burn things in a barrel for smoke. Anytime you have a flame, that is a live burn. You are free to use a smoke machine with no problem. I would still recommend taking as many safety precautions as possible. If there are areas of the structure that are unsafe or questionable when you can see, they should be off limits for training as well.
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