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Responding with No Crew
Are there any OSHA or NFPA guidelines as to how many members are to be on a single piece of apparatus when responding to a Call?
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Permalink Reply by John Crabbe on
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This is from NFPA 1710
5.2.3 Operating Units.
Fire company staffing requirements
shall be based on minimum levels necessary for safe, effective,
and efficient emergency operations.
5.2.3.1
Fire companies whose primary functions are to pump
and deliver water and perform basic fire fighting at fires, including
search and rescue, shall be known as engine companies.
5.2.3.1.1
These companies shall be staffed with a minimum
of four on-duty personnel.
Truck is also 4 so I was mistaken with that one
5.2.3.2
Fire companies whose primary functions are to perform
the variety of services associated with truck work, such as
forcible entry, ventilation, search and rescue, aerial operations
for water delivery and rescue, utility control, illumination,
overhaul, and salvage work, shall be known as ladder or truck
companies.
5.2.3.2.1
These companies shall be staffed with a minimum
of four on-duty personnel.
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No, it was 1710, I knew I did see the staffing recommendations in there. I spent a lot of time going over the NIST study and culminating a synopsis to present to our elected officials to try and stave off significant budget cuts last year.....and happy to say I efforts paid off for now.
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Permalink Reply by Russ Marks on
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in the real world it would a dream to go out the door with a crew of 4, but for small town VFD, a good day is 3 and the normal day is with 2, getting the equipment to the incident is the hard part, most of our personal respond to the incident, we do not wait to fill all the seats, as there is alot to do on arrivial while waiting for personal.
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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Unless they have someting very new I haven't seen, 1710 doesn't talk about warm bodies per rig - just numbers that should be on scene at the benchmark times for fires, medical emergencies, etc.
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Exactly. Don't forget the thrills of 12 guys hanging all over the rig...making peanuts and getting a couple of days off per month whether they needed it or not.
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I posted the standard to your first reply on page 1, before I responded to Jack.
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Which edition? I don't remember seeing that specific, but I might have an old edition.
I'll have to check 1720, too. If I remember correctly, it doesn't specify crew size, just that the benchmark personnel numbers have to be assembled at the scene.
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I just saw it after I responded here. I'll check my 1710 and 1720 editions at the office tomorrow.
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It was the 2010 edition
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Permalink Reply by Jack/dt on
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John,
Are the staffing numbers a result of the NIST study or Is the NIST study simply a confirmation of 1710?
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Permalink Reply by Todd Algie Young on
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It was not as High as it is NOW! I see on FireFightersCloseCalls.com that the ages of LODD are much lower. The Protective Clothing was not the leading cause of Death back in My Day. The Union took care of the Fire Fighters. Now too many Union Officials have there hands in Politicians Pockets PAC?. Too many Chiefs & not enough Indians.
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YOU are 100% correct!
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