The Social Network & Community JUST for Firefighters
Dwelling Fire Video Discussion - Brotherhood Instructors
These guys appear to have done a pretty nice job especially considering that it looked like the first due engine only had three firefighters. The first 50 seconds is just a response video, skip to that point and start there.
While you watch, consider the following points:
• Size-up
o Officer gets a view of sides A, B, and D while arriving
o There is one window of fire on side D and there appears to be fire coming from a window in the same room on side C (you can see the fire above the roof line on arrival)
o Time of day. Cars are in the driveway, are people home?
• Engine Considerations
o Water supply: Would you go in on tank water or wait for the hydrant connection to be made?
o The first line is stretched quickly and it appeared each member had an assigned role.
o The line was charged OUTSIDE of the house.
o The engine leaves the front of the building open for the ladder company.
o A back-up line was stretched and charged.
• Ladder Considerations
o Portable ladder positioned in the front of the building. Ladder position is good with the tip even with the sill.
o It appeared another ladder was taken to the side or rear.
o It appears the primary search may have been done before the engine arrives. Upon arrival you can see what looks like a Fire Dept vehicle parked on the left.
At the 7:33 and 7:43 minute mark members throw some items from the windows. This is not ideal but sometimes is necessary. Be sure when throwing things out of the building to make sure no one is below or on the ladder under that window.
More on Dwelling Fire Video Discussion from Brotherhood Instructors
Replies to This Discussion
-
Permalink Reply by Greenman on
-
Looks to me like a pretty by-the-book knock down of a one room and contents fire.
I think you are correct about the Primary Search being completed prior to the first due engine arriving by the officer walking out of the house as the Engine Officer sets the camera down on the running board.
They used the term "hand jacking" when they first arrive on scene, I'm not sure what that refers to. It's not a term we use around here for anything related to fire fighting.
Greenman
-
Permalink Reply by FFN WebTeam on
-
"hand jacking"
Engine driver will drag the supply line to the hydrant, when in close proximity, instead of laying out from a longer distance or having another engine reverse lay.
Usually done when the hydrant is within two or three lengths of the fire building.
-
Permalink Reply by Bill Carlisle on
-
Very good job by the crew, i think all went well for the amount of people on scene , I would not have changed anything , except if available the ppv fan to be brought to side a ,
-
-
Makes sense, it's just not a term we use around here.
Learn something new every day.
Greenman
-
Permalink Reply by Cory on
-
I think they did a pretty good job, the scene went pretty smooth from the way it looks in the video.
On my dept. We ride 3 our engines at Elkhart, I know our crew would have made an offensive attack, I personally would have pulled what we call our "Elkhart load" (basically Chicago's skid load) which is 400 feet of 2 1/2" dead load with a smooth bore nozzle connected to 100 feet of 1 3/4" with a Elkhart Brass Chief nozzle with a spin off to a smooth bore which is what would be used. But the chauffeur (Nick Hintz) would help the nozzle guy (me) with deployment off the back of the rig so he would know how many sections are off so he would know what pressure to pump at. But on the question of would you go on tank water or wait for a hydrant, we would go in on tank water we have 750 gallons which is plenty for this fire, in the end you might use a little more by the time it is completely out but 750 is plenty for a knock down.
Ladder placement I wasn't there but I think maybe placing the ladder on side Alpha to the left a little bit might have been a better idea, also if they need to bail out I would have angled the ladder a little more for a easier decent.
The Elkhart load is as said 400 feet of dead load (not connected to the engines discharge) with a 2 1/2" smooth bore nozzle Nick took the pistol grip off since it really isn't needed. But connected to the 2 1/2 is 100 feet of 1 3/4" with a Elkhart Chief nozzle with a spin off tip to a smooth bore. This has became my first choice for a line to pull due to it's versatility. Most cross lays are 200 feet and are either 1 3/4" or 2 1/2", with this load you have the best of both worlds. If you need the 2 1/2 for a knock down you simply just spin off the 1 3/4 use the 2 1/2 and when done you can connect the 1 3/4 and be on your marry way. Hey Nate call Nick and ask him how slow today is lol
Be safe
Cory
-
Permalink Reply by Michael McCarthy on
-
Did a great job ..as the old saying goes--how the first line goes is how the fire goes. Looked pretty straight forward fire. was vented out the 4 side so if you got the line into quick operation which it did..was a quick knock down. MPO did the right thing looks like-- used the booster tank for water supply and THEN hooked up to the hydrant for the positive water supply. Left room in the front of the building for the truck company. Truck company did a quick horizontal vent. All in all engine company should be commended for getting the water on the fire as quick as they did with a short crew.
-
-
One thing I forgot to mention about this load is that if you use a truck company this load will help you move your rig a little further away from the fire so your truck company can hopefully get into a better spot to support the interior crew.
-
Permalink Reply by Roy Walker on
-
Excellent video. Its been a while since we have had some videos that were worth watching from a tactical training view. It appeared the interior crew did a great job of water conservation and applied just enough water rather than indiscriminatly spraying with out consideration of tactics. I noticed the crews knew their responsibilities and worked efficiently, that can only be accomplished with a lot of hard training. HOPE THIS IS THE FIRST OF MANY MORE USEFULL VIDEOS
-
-
"HOPE THIS IS THE FIRST OF MANY MORE USEFUL VIDEOS"
Just wait....
FFN
-
Permalink Reply by Captain William Frazer on
-
Definately a nice job. Does set a good standard for us all!
-
-
By saying "just wait" are you talking about a collaboration with a certain training group? From what I heard you guys got a good thing coming!
-
-
That, more forum discussion posts from others, and the upcoming site changes.
FFN
© 2024 Created by Firefighter Nation WebChief.
Powered by
