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This discussion will NOT be closed (well...at least not by me)
Respect...
what you need...
what you want....
Recognizing and accepting that (most especially) people in this profession tend to be strongly opinionated and have a wicked sense of humor, attempting to regulate humor and opinion, especially in the midst of a "conversation", is both presumptuous and dictatorial.
Towards that end, there is no off-topic discussion in this thread, so long as you can 'somehow' relate it back to respect. Take it where ever it goes, sarcasm is allowed. No...really.
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Permalink Reply by Jack/dt on
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Ralph,
Haven't heard that one in a long long time. Dude you're wicked old.
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Permalink Reply by Capt.Alex Arnold on
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Good topic and good responses. I pose a question to everyone though; what is respect to you? I always hear people saying, Respect is given, respect everyone, respect this that and everything else, but what is it. Everyone wants it, everyone assumes that everyone else has it to give. Again though I ask, what is respect?
I have my own personal view on what it is. We must know and remember that respect is a sense of worth and being felt by someone in the perception from another.
I just read a great write up about diversity in our service, http://www.firefighternation.com/forum/topics/less-diversity-is-nee... ,I am not going to get into this topic though, even though it is relevant to the whole respect issue. I wanted to just make everyone think, hmmmmm?
It may be that person that failed on a test no matter what their race, religion and what ever other excuse they can come up with for not achieving the shiny apple in the tree. They feel "disrespected" because that test was too complicated, or the system had set them up to fail. That, personally, is a lack of self-respect that has lead to a lack of self-accountability. There in lies what I believe to be the core of the issue, once again my personal feeling.
The next time you look at someone in anger or frustration because they did not respect you, step back and look at them. Do they respect their self? Are they accountable to their own actions, or do they have an excuse for that too? Respect is that something that can be very difficult to give. Especially, when giving it to someone whom has no self awareness of their own lack of self respect.
Sometimes it is harder to do but, just moving along smartly shipmates and save the public displays of respect for those that are accountable and understand what respect is and how truly special it is.
Be safe and learn something new today.
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Permalink Reply by Firewriter on
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Even probies?? Okay, okay - sorry, not respectful.
Without respect for your fellow crew members and officers, how can you have a unified team? If you don't respect them, are you going to trust them? In this job, you have to trust each other - completely.
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Necroposting at it's finest. Besides, it's my post and it seems an appropriate venue...for however long it may last.
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Permalink Reply by Station10Capt106 on
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gotta say I love that term . . . Necroposting.
Just kinda makes you want to say it over and over again.
Necroposting, necroposting, necroposting, necropo...
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Permalink Reply by FETC on
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Gotta love the forums. Open forum discussions are going to bring forth a differing opinion. Some here will argue til the keyboard is smoking that they are right. - An insecure leader loves to hoard power! Some are much more tactful with their FU's and get away masked behind the educated word. I say a smart leader will only believe half of what they hear. Unfortunately knowing which half to believe is the key. So 50 percent of FFN is probably BS. And a true test of one's character is shown under crisis. Seems lately though, FFN crisis happens daily but remember crisis doesn't "make" character it only reveals one's true character.
I for one dislike investing alot of time in posting a thread or reply for which someone offers a different opinion, and then it is simply censored by the OP or the WebChief. I read through the posts at question, and have been around the block before, (remember other forums over the years) and nobody was threatening anyone, no foul langauage, but hey it is kindlier and gentlier fire service now. So much so that we may have to outwardly express how special or not, our firefighter wives may be.
Some were asked to move on by the WC, some did, spreading the word in a different medium. (and yes Jack, thats sarcasm)
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FETC,
Sarcasm? Really? Okay I guess I'll allow it. Funny how even when the OP has no issue with threadjacking, sarcasm or differing opinions it still is subject to the whims of he who shall not be named.
I can't tell you how many times I've sat in the day room with the other folks and we've had a "spirited" discussion. On occasions there has even been the odd "F**k you Jack (go figure on that one) yet end of the day we're all still friends. I guess it has something to do with being mature.
Likewise it's always been the rule that as soon as someone shows a weakness it's go for the jugular time. Throughout it's always been in good humor. If you can't laugh at yourself then you're only laughing at others.
Thanks for your thoughts, I'll let you know whether or not I decide to delete your response. (That too is sarcasm.)
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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EARN IT....IT IS NOT GIVEN OUT LIGHTLY.....get off your high horse, just because you wear the uniform doesn't mean that you have earned the respect of others........That's all I have to say....Stay safe....Keep the Faith....Paul
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Permalink Reply by WestPhilly on
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I have a different take. Respect should be given out very lightly, in fact, automatically. What needs to be earned is continued respect. (Not to put too fine a point on it.)
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Jack d/t, one of the very best parts of the FFN forums is that we can debate about things, offer our opinions, poke fun at each other ... knowing it is about free expression amongst responders from very diverse backgrounds in locations as far away as Australia! All of it with the understanding, as you put it, that at the end of the day, we are still friends. Friends respect each other and the differences that make us who we are - always!
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I agree. I try to treat everyone with respect from the first moment I interact with them and in return i expect to get treated with respect. That doesn't mean I have to agree with them or they with me.
But that doesn't mean that I will have continued respect for them. Their actions will dictact whether or not they earned that right for continued respect.
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