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Emergency Lights In Personal Vehicle
What do you think Should they be allowed yes or no Personally i think they should be allowed but you should have to take a class on pov response before being allowed to use them but should you be able to use them why or why not
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Permalink Reply by anna m mills on
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I agree with you chief. Your company and ESP chief should cover the rule/laws. As to another class no. We are having to take enough classes as it is. Just my opinion as far as classes go
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Permalink Reply by Lt. Raymond Oliver HPFD 6505 on
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I agree that we should have emergency lights in our personal vehicles. I have found that civilians are aggravated or upset with emergency personal vehicles and like to complain or make false claims. So I've found it easier and drawls less attention to yourself by not using Sirons and blue lights. That's just me though
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Permalink Reply by Kirk D. Baughman on
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you need to look at the pro's and con's in putting lights on your POV. I'v seen so many people getting there department's in trouble with the way you drive. once you put lights on everyone well notice all the stuff you will be doing. driving to fast, running a stop sign, loud music. i really think you should think about it for a few days before spending money. if your department policies says you can and you decied to do it just stay safe.
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Permalink Reply by Steve on
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I think that this raises the distinction between what most have in mind when hearing about lights on a POV and additional hazard lighting in the rear. You don't even need red/blue...having a couple of extra yellow flashers in the rear can make your vehicle a bit more visible without going down the rabbit hole of abuse by those using them to circumvent traffic laws.
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Permalink Reply by charles k moree on
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i us them on scene to keep your vehicle visible to keep from being hit by traffic
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Permalink Reply by John Dobson on
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A class would be great. I use mine sometimes but other traffic ignores them. They work great as a marker(lighthouse) to other responders. I feel they help to warn oncoming traffic when along side the road. I have used them when responding to the station on a run to move people standing in the road out of the way. To let them know I wasn't just driving down the street I was on a call so please stop talking in the street and let me though. (The neighbors block the road all the time to shoot the bull.)
New guys always think there cool and really stir some problems up. We have even had a guy wash out of are department and when he seen us, Flip on they would come. We pointed it out to the state police one night they didn't say anything. Oh well?? He was not on are department for over a year when this happened.
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Permalink Reply by Pararescue on
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OK, picture this.... lol A structure fire gets dispatched, and everyone goes to the scene but no Engines or Trucks. Not looking good so far. Lets say you have 50 active ff's, now should you have your apparatus respond, the sirens from them, and say oh... 40 POV's with lights and sirens. Can you say Charlie Browns All Stars?
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capcityff we are go so out in the middle of nowhere are local ems service gets lost. It may take up to hour to find where the patient is at times. We know are area alot better than they do.(They serve the whole county) We send a POV with lights on to find them it makes it a whole lot easier to find someone with flashing blue lights. The Rescue never leaves the scene so we keep are supplies at hand.
We don't have sirens on POVs and don't need them.
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Permalink Reply by Sparky3317 on
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Have seen this happen. Local town around here allows for povs to go to the scene whether in town or mutual aid. Town responded for coverage in the town next door had one firefighter and an officer in the truck and 6 povs arrive at the out of town station. Box alarm came in and the firefighters actually got into a fist fight on the apron for who was going to a call.
Now granted this ended the whole pov going out of town thing but still whats the point of going to a call without apparatus in the first place?
If your out of town and the apparatus is already on scene then if your town doesnt need station coverage or a pilot for coverage towns then I dont see a problem with a pov going to the scene.
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Permalink Reply by Cindi Doyal on
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Interesting opinions, all.
I live in a town of appx 25,000, I have to cross a major US highway to get to my station. This highway carries a ton of traffic in the summer (direct route to major state resort areas). Even when the tourists are gone, there are days that it's nearly impossible to cross without lights and sirens. Our dept covers a large chunk of real estats, and even though there are smaller depts scattered about, many times we're called out for MA. Sorry, I digress.
Our SOPs dictate that we respond to the closest of one of our 6 stations, IF all the trucks are out, we're allowed to run hot to a fire. If we're closer to the scene, we're allowed to go directly to the scene. MVAs are a different creature. We are NOT allowed to proceed to an MVA in POVs, with the exception of officers. Common sense does come into play, however. If we are close, it's a reasonable expectation to to not bypass the scene to get a truck.
Traffic lights and stop signs: When we go through class, we're taught defensive intersection crossing. Red light? One lane at a time. We are not allowed to use lights/sirens until we've been on the dept for a specifief amount of time
Safety: Wholeheartedly agree that POVs can be used as markers, especially way out in the country.
As I said, our department covers a huge area. HOWEVER: We all have had the joys of being in a truck and people (for some odd reason) just don't see those big shiny trucks making noise and using all the pretty lights. Too many emergency personnell have been killed because people don't pay attention - and I believe that the more lights there are at a scene, the safer we all are.
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