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Ten Minutes in the Street: Profiling and Size-Up No.1
Latest ADD; Let me offer the following two aerial imaged that will offer opportunties for additional dialog and discussion. The aerial of the Delta side provides the greatest insights into what adaptive, reuse and renovation is all about. I'll provide more of my take on this after we get more comments and perspectives. Some key factors relate to the building's reuse and occupancy, the construction features that are evident on the Delta side and what your observations "tell" you from the Bravo side. Also, lets talk about the building's size...30 ft. wide x 190 ft. in length. Things are not always what they first appear to be....
Let's take a look at developing and enhancing your observation, profiling and size-up skills from the street.
We have two images; A view from the street of the Alpha and Bravo side and the other view from the Alpha and Delta sides. Each provides a distinctive view and insights in the structure, occupancy and risk profile of the structure. As with any incident response, there may be very unique or subtle conditions or factors that will influence your strategic decision-making process, risk perspective, the development of your IAP and tactical implementation and assignments.
Barring issues related to incident factors (i.e, fire, rescue etc.) take a look at the building carefully, take a look at its profile, what your experience gauge is telling you, what you may have experienced in the past (RPDM) and provide your insights on any number of the wide range of factors such as; Building, Occupancy, Type, Construction, Systems, Hazards, Risk, Performance, Stability, Fire Load, Occupancy Load, Fire Travel, Smoke Travel, Occupant Travel, Access, Egress, Ventilation Profile, Engine Company Access and hose-line movement, Rescue, Removal etc.
There’s a wealth of discussion points here for us to explore. As always, our individual view from the street may not always be the same, but we can learn from our combined view points.
Look at BECOME SAFE HERE
Operational Safety Considerations at Ordinary and Heavy Timber Constructed Occupancies, HERE
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Permalink Reply by hiteshsingh on
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A view from the street of the Alpha and Bravo side and the other view from the Alpha and Delta sides. Each provides a distinctive view and insights in the structure, occupancy and risk profile of the structure.
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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Good comments so far, guys.
Additional points...
This building is not only missing the Bravo and possibly Delta neighbors it used to have, it isn't a normal ordinary construction. Most of the structure is a concrete moment frame with masony infill shear walls. This is obvious on Side D but covered up by the finish on Side B. The problem is that the moment frame does not include the front section of the structure. You can clearly see that the concrete floor platforms don't extend all the way to the facade. This may indicate that this building has a Side A add-on that's ordinary construction with timber floors. As we've discussed in some of Chris's previous scenarios, mixed-construction buildings are prone to come apart where the two construction types are tied together if they're exposed to fire.
The lack of ventilation is going to draw any fire to the front section. A lot of fire there may peel the front section away and drop it in the street.
I also noticed large ductwork through the front windows on Division 1. This could indicate either large floor penetrations for an add-on, large-bore HVAC system or a processing area for a microbrewery or something similar. If it's a HVAC systemt then the floors have been weakened by the HVAC penetrations and the fire has an easy way to spread both vertically and laterally. Even good, quick vertical ventilation might not save the structure or the occupants from a fire, especially one that starts on a lower floor.
There's not a good view of Side C, but from the 1st photo, it looks obstructed.
Another troubling detail are the two vertical braces on Side B near the rear. They extend from Division 2 through Division 4, and indicate that the masonry in that area is weak and that it's been necessary to install two strongbacks to keep the building intact with no fire present.
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CSI says...
This is the Bright Building-111 South Meridian Street, Indianapolis.
The architecture firm that restored the building calls it an "Adaptive Reuse-Restoration"
They go on to say "An Adaptive Reuse of an early 20th Century masonry building in the Indianapolis Historic Warehouse district, that was redesigned with four luxury condominiums, one per floor on the upper four floors, and retail on the first floor. The building renovation included stabilization of the exterior masonry, removal of an aluminum 1960’s façade on the Meridian Street elevation, and repair and replacement of exterior terra cotta, and installation of historical acceptable insulated double hung windows." (emphasis supplied)
At some point, the rooftop garden was a Thai restaurant and the 1st floor was a bar called "The Cube".
The original building was constructed in 1914.
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I don't know and that information wasn't included in the CSI sources.
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I would not have guessed condos, either. There are some bizzarre twists on what people do with renovated buildings, and that's part of Chris's point here.
We're going to have the potential for 24/7 occupancy on Divisions 2 through 5 on this structure, and except for the front windows and the Delta stairs, there are not a lot of rescue paths available.
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Dottie, upon further review, I believe that ADA might not apply here as long as the roof is not longer used for commerce. If the upper 4 floors have such limited access that the exterior steel stairs were added on Side D, they may be sold as private residences, which exempts them from ADA.
The Division 1 commercial space would have to be ADA compliant, regardless.
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Permalink Reply by Jay Nicholson on
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In my neck of the woods, this bldg would probably be low-income housing. Any signs of a fire upon arrival gets a automatic 2nd due the high probability of numerous occupants. Lack of sprinklers, pack-rat occupants and most likely lack of even basic maintenance upkeep. The city had a fire in a similar, but only 3 story, bldg a few years ago. Quick work 'saved' the bldg and there was only 1 fatality. But the bldg has remained vacant to this day.
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Permalink Reply by Christopher J. Naum, SFPE on
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That would be a correct and accurate statment regarding the residential occupancies.
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low-income should read 'residential hotel'.
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Indy is doing this to alot of older buildings. I saw on the news the other day where they are trying to revitalize about 300 residences around downtown to get Indy looking good for the 2012 superbowl. I look for them to by my employer out across the river from the new stadium.
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Now that you added the overhead views, this one looks worse than I thought.
Is that an elevator penthouse on Side D immediately behind and above the section with the glass panels?
Did you take the street-level photos while you were at FDIC?
Also, is this a concrete moment frame with an ordinary add-on on Side A as I thought, or is it an ordinary with a Delta wall that just looks like a moment frame?
Regardless, I bet the condo occupants eat a lot of spaghetti.
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Do you know if they have a sprinkler requirement for the retrofitted buildings? It would help dramatically with this one.
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