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SCBA on the Roof?
Below are a series of photos courtesy "FirehouseGuy" from theWatchDesk.com from a daytime house fire last week in Maryland.
These photos are circulating around the Web on sites such as Firefighter Close Calls on the aspect of firefighter safety ... with the site noting "No one hurt but good pictures from the scene drawing "THINK" attention to PPE, SCBA and roof operations. While we love roof operations when needed, we are don't love un-needed exposure to the smoke -- today's smoke is some nasty crap.....we need to THINK. 1000 active Firefighters die each year to cancer."
What are your thoughts and your department's SOPs for firefighters operating on the roof of structure firefighters?
These photos are circulating around the Web on sites such as Firefighter Close Calls on the aspect of firefighter safety ... with the site noting "No one hurt but good pictures from the scene drawing "THINK" attention to PPE, SCBA and roof operations. While we love roof operations when needed, we are don't love un-needed exposure to the smoke -- today's smoke is some nasty crap.....we need to THINK. 1000 active Firefighters die each year to cancer."
What are your thoughts and your department's SOPs for firefighters operating on the roof of structure firefighters?
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Permalink Reply by Cedric on
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Most issues related to firefighter safety have been identified by others here on the site. Along with the other issues one of great concern is the Chief Officer who is wearing an SCBA and engaged in fire suppression. Rather the Chief Officer should be engaged in incident command, proper scene safety, accountability, command and control of the scene. An initial assessment of the scene with a proper size-up and resource request should have been the priority of the first arriving fire officer. Prioritizing on scene available resource and their capabilities as well as making tactical decision to either stop the fire within the structure or prevent extension to exposures. By looking at this job aproximately 1/3 of the house is heavily damaged with the other 2/3's receiving heavy smoke damage. If this department did not have the proper amount of personnel on scene a decision should have been made to pull firefighters back out and off the roof until the proper number of firefighting resources and equipment is available. We have the right of changing our tactics based on the changing conditions of the scene.
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Permalink Reply by Chris on
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Smoke=SCBA Always. I know the excitment can get the best of us, but if you are going to be even near the smoke that tank and mask should be going with you. Also if the roof is starting to self ventilate you should be working from your ladders. That a long way down to the floor.
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Permalink Reply by Art "ChiefReason" Goodrich on
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Folks;
The structure has SELF VENTED.
He has no business on the roof anyway.
The operation looks very amateurish.
Almost like it was their first fire...ever!
See who's in the photo with him?
That's Murphy.
TCSS.
Art
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Permalink Reply by Engineco913 on
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also with the amount of damage caused by the fire underneath, there should have been 0 reason to be on the roof.
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Permalink Reply by alan on
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i dont even know how you could think that was safe. please tell me im not the only one who feels this way
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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I have a question....is this guy nuts..?? He has fire showing all around the roof...and in one shot possible through the roof...it has already vented it self....GET THE HELL OFF THE ROOF...!!! Stupid......and where the hell is your PPE...?? Would be this guys last trip to a roof in my book....we don't need dead Firefighters and I don't like going to funerals......Stay safe....Keep the Faith.....Paul
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Permalink Reply by Ron Graner on
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Interesting topic: I have some none firefighting friends who came over to my house just as I was looking at these pictures. Here is what they said when they looked at these pictures with me:
WOW that is stupid!
Why would anyone stand on a roof when the roof supports are burning away?
What they expect to gain from their actions?
Couldn’t they have stuck a hose line into the big hole on the side of the building?
Is there a firefighter inside the 2 story part of the house that could have sprayed water through the wall into that space safely?
Why did their boss send them up there?
Do they have families?
If those firefighters get killed can their families sue the fire department and the boss that killed them?
Their comments say a lot for what the general public thinks about what they see us do.
If it is so easy for the general public to spot stupidity in action, why can’t we get it right?
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Permalink Reply by Spanner 122 on
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What? It's okay not to wear it because you might see something? All you're going to see is a facefull of smoke. Complacency kills, it doesn't care if you're "old school."
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wow, you got that just right. 2 in, 2 out... and i only see one person on this roof. not a smart idea.
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After a little thought I have another question....Does anyone see anything done RIGHT in these phots....??? I sure as hell don't.....Paul
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Permalink Reply by flash_fire007 on
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I'm not going to sit here and quote SOP's /SOG's to everyone, As we all know or anyone that has been in the business for let's say 2 years or more... WE KNOW BETTER!!! This is an IDLH and regardless of victim's or anything that we are NOT aware of in this specific situation... We cannot help others if we are the one's needing rescued, This situation should have never happened, And as I know most of you as brothers in arms we have all learned from past scene's and from this scene this was a major mistake, we can only pray for our brothers that nothing happened and that they will make the right decision next time in learning from their mistakes, But as a reminder it only takes once to wish you had done something different in a LODD.
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If you have to egress that quickly you haven't properly assessed the situation. Yes, shit happens. I've seen a quick egress with a pack on, it was the only thing that prevented serious respiratory burns when things went to hell. I guess we all make choices, I don't want my family to suffer for mine. Chances are better it will save you, just like a seatbelt.
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