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Showing up to drills.
Alright, so I take it most people here understand the importance of training. They know how smoothly everything can go if it's practiced. There is a slight problem though.
We have a smaller dedicated group that shows up to drills, but when we have an actual fire, people who we haven't seen in months (or more) show up and end up messing everything up. (we've had people show up that have been on the department for years that don't know how to hook up a supply line)
How do we get these people to show up to drills without threatening to kick them off the department?
We have a smaller dedicated group that shows up to drills, but when we have an actual fire, people who we haven't seen in months (or more) show up and end up messing everything up. (we've had people show up that have been on the department for years that don't know how to hook up a supply line)
How do we get these people to show up to drills without threatening to kick them off the department?
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Permalink Reply by kenny goines on
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My answer to you is to do just that, get rid of them before they get someone hurt, or even worse, killed.
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Permalink Reply by T.J. on
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You need MORE DISIPLINE in your department, we've got a state law in Michigan that requires each FF to have 24 hours of training and your state should have a similar law. We've got a "strike 3 and your out" rule. It works great for use.
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Permalink Reply by Adam Box on
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I'll have to look into whether or not NJ has this. If anyone knows, let me know.
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Permalink Reply by Art "ChiefReason" Goodrich on
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The reason they show up and mess it up is because someone lets them.
Where's the leadership?
Therein lies the problem.
Leadership doesn't require training from everyone. They don't manage the fireground.
Sounds like a recipe for a disaster.
Don't look for the perfect world, but at least get to reality.
TCSS.
Art
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Permalink Reply by Dennis Brown on
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I think they have to maintane a percentage in training & drills and firecalls in the state of nj or you remove them from your active list what we do is send letters to each one and state there standing in the department and if it dont improve we will drop them from the rolls of the department
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Permalink Reply by Tony P on
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If there's a legal requirement for training as has been suggested, then that's the minimum. Not enforcing that is very bad management by the officers. If there's no legal requirement, then the FD needs to have it's own rules and to enforce them. Therein lies the problem, too many people don't like to enforce the rules (we have some of that in my Brigade unfortunately). For us, it's supposed to be attend at least 50% of training session, 50% of meetings and 50% of those calls that you can reasonably be expected to attend (depending on your work hours). For people who've volinteered to commit themselves, I don't think our requirements are too onerous.
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Permalink Reply by Norm Carl Jr on
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In this day and age it is hard to get people to "voluteer" for anything. However everybody in the fire service knows that we dont do what we do for the money. Our department has the same issue and I agree with the previous comments. It's all boils down to management! And if you dont fix it, it will lead to morale issues and then somebody could/will get hurt. If you, like us, have a chief officer that is more concerned about his job or roster numbers than the effective operation of then department, then as a body the firefighters have to band together and do something about it before the department falls apart or worse somebody dies.
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Permalink Reply by FIRE BEAR on
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AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED IS TO JUST GET RID OF THEM BEFORE THEY MESS UP REAL BAD HERE IN NEW YORK WE HAVE A POINT SYSTOM TO HOLD YOUR ACTIVE MEMBER STATUS WE HAVE TO ATTEND SO MANY TRAININGS AND CALS FOR THIS CUT YOUR LOSES BEFORE ITS TO LATE
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Well at the risk of being crucified by my officers, I feel like too many people in my department are too concerned about not hurting anyone's feelings or stepping on any toes.
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YOUKNOW WHAT TELL THEM WHERE TO GO BUT ID RATHER TELL THEM TO LEAVE THEN TO BE BURYED CAUSE SOMEONE CANT HOOK A HOSE UP IF THE OFFICERS ARE SCARED TO DO THERE JOB TIME FOR A NEW OFFICER THEN
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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I THINK THAT YOU ANSWERED YOUR OWN QUESTION...Do you really NEED them...?? Are't they more of a liability than an asset ? This isn't some kind of social club, people can and unfortunately do sometimes get hurt or killed doing what we do....put feelings aside and step back and look at the whole picture.....It comes down to .."Are you an asset or a liability"...Sorry if it seems mean or nasty...but it is the truth......Stay safe....Paul
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If training isn't important to THEM, then the department and more importantly, the other members aren't important to them.
If that's the case, then it's important to YOU to get rid of THEM.
Yeah; lose them.
TCSS.
Art
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