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Explorers and the Fire Department.
We have an Fire Explorers post at our Department, (now before i go to far and get yelled at let me say i am for it and do not have an issue with it) My question is, what is the protocal of other departments in them making live calls. IE: Medical, Grass Fires Structure fires Etc:. Should they be allowed to run with you while you are working an active arrest with CPR in progress? Should they be allowed in the fire line of a structure? I am looking for things other departments do to get them active in the service besides washing trucks and cleaning the station. I for one do not think they need to be allowed to run active calls just because of the things we see and have to do. I do not think they should be allowed inside the fire line because of the danger, but i do think they should be able to make fires for ReHab for the Fire Fighters.
I'm Just wondering what kind of response i will get out of this. and remember, i am for it!! i just think there should be limits on what they should see.
I'm Just wondering what kind of response i will get out of this. and remember, i am for it!! i just think there should be limits on what they should see.
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Permalink Reply by Allen on
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Again, i am all for the explorers program. We are still trying to get the do's and Dont's in place at our dept. That is what i am trying to find out what everyone else out there has going. I agree on training the Explorers with all the different tools, and how to use them. However i have to agree with a few people here about what they should and should not be able to see and do. I have seen alot, from people burned alive, shot in the face with a shot gun to broken finger nails. I made an MVA Vs Tree and the Tree won. The guy burned to death trying to get out of his truck. This is the kind of things that Explorers do NOT need to see.
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This is a good idea and i like having them train with us. It is funny seeing a couple kids behind a line charged to 150psi and see the look on their face.:)
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Something else you can tell everyone that "Dis" you. Tell them we fight what they fear, when they run away we are the ones that run in, only the best can be part of the Fire Dept. And then walk away
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Permalink Reply by Royce Terry on
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I Agree With Her
I Gess Some People Just Cant Get Ahold That The Exploring Program Is Letting Us Go On The Fire Ground. Worrie About Yourself First, Then Other Programs
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LOL okay, Some of them have the fear of god when they open it up to the max flow. Kinda funny.
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Permalink Reply by Tony P on
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Kat, what Sean and I are saying is not a matter of 'can' you, but 'should you.
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Permalink Reply by Jenny Holderby on
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Sean, I rest my case buddy. I know that the younger people on my department are a great asset. They train well & work their butts off (most of them do most of the time) and do anything they are asked and some things we don't have to ask anymore. They know they can't wear SCBA, they can't be on the nozzle & they certianly cannot operate the rescue equipment. They keep each other in line & do a great job. They have learned how to follow orders.
However, they may not have known until very recently that when we say a 2.0 gpa we mean a 2.0 or above. Unfortunately one of our most active guys didn't pay enough attention to his grades. He is on academic probation. When his grades come up, he can come back. Maybe he was spending too much time being a good jr firefighter & not enough studying. The members of our department are committed to our junior program and not only mentor them in the fire department, we also tutor them and often end up being big brothers or big sisters. They don't have a reason to not do their best.
Royce, Bud, I'm really not trying to be picky but you can't start every word with a capital letter any more than you can write in all lower case. I realize that all of you young folks are passionate about what you do. That's good. But you need to be able to convey that to others. I see you are trying to do that and I don't want to discourage any of you from. But I do want to encourage you to be good students as well. Right now, it may not seem important to any of you. Having been in the fire service for over 20 yrs, having been a Jr leader AND working in an academic setting, I can safely say that you will definitely need these skills later in life, no matter what you do. EVERYDAY I use communication skills, in both the FD and in my work. I use math and reasoning skills again in both my work and with the fire department. Reading comprehension is also something you will use throughout your life. A good education is important for everyone.
When you become a firefighter you will need to learn more. You need to be able to read the material and convey that you understand what you read. You will be asked to answer essay questions. The instructor needs to be able to read those answers clearly to know that you understand the subject. The reason many firefighters don't pass their certification the first time is not that they aren't good firefighters. They simply do not test well or didn't understand what they were being asked, or the instructor couldn't understand their answers. It is a fact. Don't fall into that category.
All of you Jrs, cadets or Explorers, whatever you call yourselves, can consider this as a pat on the back and as a swatt on the butt. Please realize that you do have a place in the fire service or emergency services as a whole but you still have time to get there. I am an advocate for Jr or Explorer programs. I am probably a little more liberal than some others because I do believe that there is a place for you ON SCENE. But you can't run the scene, you ARE the bottom rung on the ladder but you will climb. Patients is a virtue. Take it one step at a time.
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Okay, Now this one i have to say aint gonna fly. In this bussiness everyone watches each others back. If this is the attitude you have at the station then you will not make it. There is a reason we have the Title Band of Brothers. "You go I go" is what i tell every member of my dept. you can not have BS while on the front line.
Get over the Mancho thing and just be yourself. People will like you more for who you are than who you want to be.
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Permalink Reply by Jay Nicholson on
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If you think you know more about firefighting after 3 months than your line officers do, then 1 of 2 things is happening there. Either your dept. is so disfunctional and untrained or you are too full of yourself. My guess is....
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Congratulations Sean. Sometimes those degrees are hard to attain. Life often gets in the way while we are making plans for the future. My degree has nothing to do with Information Technology Sciences or Fire Science. I was in my 40s when I took my EMT training.
It is very sad that people don't realize that they WILL use their education after they graduate. THAT is the point of getting your diploma, but maybe I am "old school". At the university, I often wonder how students managed to get to college when they don't know how to write a paper, research a topic or find a book they are assigned to read. Before the computer age, I used to type and edit term papers. I have been replaced by a word processing program with spell check.
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Permalink Reply by Meaghan on
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I'm an explorer. But all I can tell you is that we're allowed to do ride alongs after 6 months of being in the program, and are CPR certified. I dont know what we're allowed to do on scene. So I'm not much help but that's what i got.
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