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Comment by Fireman Larry on January 2, 2011 at 10:14am

"PPE... WE DON'T NEED NO STINK-IN PPE...."

Comment by Michael Melchionne on January 2, 2011 at 9:02am

We all make mistakes, the key is to learn from them. Not belittle each other for making mistakes. Of course, this is the firehouse, any chance to s**t on somebody is always entertaining. LOL!! Stay safe.

Comment by Michael Melchionne on January 2, 2011 at 8:45am

The problem I see is that what appears to be the first due engine company is blocking the front of the building. The ladder company was left with a horrible place to setup. The ladder should have been parked exactly where that engine is spotting the turntable so they could hit the peak above the fire. I hate all the firehouse lawyers on here criticizing our brother and sisters for getting the job done. Go home safe at the end of the day...that's what's important.

Comment by Pararescue on December 20, 2010 at 7:09pm

I highly agree. And I'm gonna say this.... I need to open my mind so I can take into account others reasoning and other areas operations.

Comment by Bradley Webb on December 20, 2010 at 9:13am

Guys get off each others backs. Your both different and you both have different arguments pretty much. Dave we both covered the video with facts and your input is valued. Jason all of your comments have been answered to the best of my ability and Dave could elaborate further but I feel like it would be turned into another argument so don't worry about it. What he's trying to say about the roof ladder is that why do you need a roof ladder when you can get the Aerial (or stick) into the same place? Jason your primary argument is that she didn't have enough tools with her but the thing is that this is not a normal roof job. It's not a flat roof, and I've never seen any larger departments carrying that much equipment to a private dwelling peaked roof. I see it on flat roofs all the time but not on peaked roofs. Dave we have both defended everything in this video that can be defended and that's all we can do and Jason even apologized after I explained everything to him and told him it wasn't about vollie vs. paid, experience this experience that, blah, blah, blah.

Dave your wrong fro bringing up the experience again after we settled everything and Jason I can understand why you got mad after that, so your both wrong. Now shake hands and be done with it. We can agree to disagree. If you both can't shake hands then we can all have a group pow wow and discuss our feelings over the lovely comments boards respectfully, but be nice about none of this back and forth your stupid crap. Come on guys.

Comment by Pararescue on December 20, 2010 at 3:07am

Wow, a RIT??? What a freakin concept! I never would have thought of that.... duhhh And a RIT Chief, woooo hold me back! And as for saying I'm always in the City of Buffalo, not true. (Reread) We have covered, and we take quite a lot of there experiences and learn from them. If your referring to me saying "Here in the big city.", thats because I'm fortunate enough to live by a big city. OK well medium... And You have yet to turn around any of my fire comments with FACTS. And if you call a stick a roof ladder? Go back to Probie class. A roof ladder has 2 hooks that go over the peak of a roof. A stick is a mechanical ladder found attached to a specialized fire unit intended for the operation of said mechanical ladder. And I'll take into account your geographical weather reports for your fires.

Comment by Dave on December 15, 2010 at 2:48pm

2 in and 2 out.....this fire had a Rit chief along with a rit engine and a rit ladder....we more then cover the "standard" Roof ladder....she was standing on it...we call it a stick, Pic headed axe was in her hands and the 6 foot rake was on the tip of the stick. She had all the tools needed to open this roof. Her partner was not seen....as he/she was from a second ladder truck. Our ladders barely move with a 5mph wind....which is actually below the cities avg on a clear 90 degree day. Jason, every comment you make can be turned around with proven FACTS! 2in and 2 out is used all the time on these boards by people who dont even know the proper use of it....your use is a perfect example of exactly what i am saying. You came on here telling us how your always in Buffalo, how you had been taught by a member of squad 1....guess what buddy....your week of training with that member he can only show you a very little of what he knows. I have been learning every day for the past 13 years from members with 35 plus years on the BFD. Some have spent 25 plus years on Rescue's, and LAdder co and Engine companies.....all from very busy houses. I'll gladly take my time spent with them over your small amount of time spent with an instructor. Have a nice day!

Comment by Bradley Webb on December 13, 2010 at 1:31pm

Oh and you are right about the drywall hook but the roof hook also can be used for other things rather than just pulling. :-)

Comment by Bradley Webb on December 13, 2010 at 1:29pm

Thank you Jason for being reasonable and understanding. I understand the 2 in 2 out to a tee. At one department I've trained with it a thousand times, mainly because this is a more public department and almost everything they do is videotaped. The other department on the hand has a reputation as aggressive get the job done and go home. This is the department I really feel proud to be on. We have the reputation that if you need it done and you can't get it done, call us, we'll take care of it. Most of the time we can get everyone there in a timely fashion and abide by the 2 in 2 out rule, sometimes there are alternative circumstances where we don't have that option (person trapped inside within reach, two more people just showed up but aren't ready to go yet, those kind of things). Sometimes we split like a truck co. and do work by ourselves. We stay within earshot, and if we need to find each other we can. It just depends on what you and your department is comfortable with, as I've been saying all along.

Personally again I would not want to use a roof ladder on this roof. Maybe with a chainsaw it would be possible but if I had the option of a straight stick I would take it, even if I had to do the vent with an axe. Maybe the roof on the inside didn't look to good and they didn't want to put a roof ladder up, I'm sure if they thought they could've done it, they would have.

You are exactly right about the Buffs, they can make or break a video.

The last thing and it absolutely pi$$es me off too is the fact these guys don't get everything they need, but I also since I help run a business know that you have to sacrifice some things. Big cities are especially bad if the politicians don't think a piece of gear is needed they will do away with it. This especially rings true in the case of the Black Sunday fire in the Bronx. The city had supplied personal escape ropes to the FDNY for years but in 2000 stopped issuing them do to budget cuts and the city thought the firefighters didn't use them and they had to be replaced every two years. These guys from Ladder 27 and two guys from Rescue 3 got trapped on the 4th floor of an illegally cut-up tenement and were forced to jump 5 stories to the icy ground outside (it was January to make it even worse). Two guys died and the other 4 were severly injured. If the city had bought the guys personal safety ropes it could have probably helped.

The city is always looking for ways to clean up it's budgets and it almost always ends up at either the police department's door or the Fire department's door. No way to avoid it. Either way Jason, Happy Holidays and we'll see you at the big one.

Comment by Pararescue on December 13, 2010 at 12:53pm

Oh and the dry wall hook I like to take is because of the big broad head. Pushes more down in a shorter time. For what it's worth.

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