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Comment by Matthew Green on February 22, 2009 at 9:06pm: don't touch the flames, just try and keep the container cool til it burns out

Comment by mikem0034 on January 25, 2009 at 11:09pm: Let it burn out....

Comment by Mario on January 25, 2009 at 12:50pm: You have to remember that we were asked how would "we" would attack this fire. We were not given anything exact. So when you say how would we attack this fire, some of us are basing our opinions on the equipment that we have in our firehouses. If you said how would you attack this fire with a 10lb CO2 fire extinguisher, then that would garner responses with a more narrow range. A range that veterans and experts could then analyze and project the best way to fight it. We would need to know what apparatuses are available, how many firefighters on hand, water supply, and the list goes on. Opinions will always vary.

Comment by Patrick Dau on January 25, 2009 at 5:18am: i am sorry sorry, but i never had said is exploes! when the container is not damaged, it is easy thats right. only save the container for heat, to stop the beginnig of of bleeve is to stop the fire around the container, not the gas-flame.
butan / propan gas is heavyer than air and it only burn when we have the right mix with oxygen, right?!
so is the opening size small and the under pressure escape gas, the oxygen has no chance to get in the container, to create an explosive mix between the gas and oxygen, right?!
but... what is when the container is damaged? and the opening size is so big or they are more holes in the container when the pressure goes down and the oxygen has a chance to get in the container?
i dont think is exploes, because in the area is the mix is to fat, but sometime it gives the right mix to an deflagration.
it is only a option, not more and i think when the container is heavy damaged the gas is allready burned, when we are at the spot, but we have to remeber that is an option, to save our brother.
when the container is not damaged, i will agree you in 100% of every point you have comment.

we going often in situations we have problems to control it, to save life. when we have a chance to control it, we have to use this chance to know the option to save our brothers.

i never want to say the wife or the kids by one of my brothers:
sorry i think is was pretty easy!
you know what i mean?

stay safe and alltimes everybody goes home
(sorry my problem to translate)

Comment by kris on January 24, 2009 at 10:38pm: the signs at the beginning of this video showed a bleve am i right ? im a probie so ive not had to deal with this type of accident yet so im unfamiliar with the types of hazard but i can tell you definitely looked like room for some improving.

Comment by FiR3m@n on January 24, 2009 at 10:08am: FETC is right..

Comment by Amanda Mullenix on January 24, 2009 at 1:24am: FETC's right.. keeping the tank cool is the main thing, not putting out the fire.

Comment by FETC on January 23, 2009 at 6:56pm: This is pretty easy guys.

First off - We would all be seated and wearing a seat belt
Second - Wearing all of our assigned PPE to include an airpack.
Third - Close the entire roadway and have the PD redirect traffic.
Fourth - Establish a Water Supply
Fifth - Flow minimum of 500 gallons a minute from a remote master stream device to cool the tank.

Most importantly, we are not attempting to put the fire out. Our goal is to cool the tank and reduce the BLEVE hazard. It will eventually stop venting from the pressure relief valve when the internal pressure allow the valve to re-close or it will go out when the escaping fuel simply runs out.

I am sorry but the fire doesn't go back into the tank and explode...

BLEVE - Boling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion. The explosion is from the liquid inside the tank boiling from RADIANT HEAT EXPOSURE and then expanding to the point in which the vessel or container can no longer contain the increased internal pressures until BOOM!

Comment by Mario on January 23, 2009 at 3:19pm: I would attack the flames in and around the base of the tank from as far away as possible. The gas is escaping and burning through the top. I would use a deckgun and try to contain the fire in the area near the truck. There isn't much you can do, the vehicle is a total loss, the fallen tank would be of concern as a potential missile/explosion hazard. Public safety is the major concern, so I would let it burn out until the pressure was low enough to put out the flames and keep water on it for a sustained cooling period.
Just my $0.02

Comment by Patrick Dau on January 23, 2009 at 1:59pm: at the first attack, i would stop the fire around the container, that the container dont heat on by the fire.
proban / butan gas cooling the the container by himself, when the under pressure liquefied gas switches hisphysical state back in gas. cooling down the container and the around the container, beware for a bleeve. catch the flame with the nozzle and turn off the valve. when the container is damaged we have some kind of problem, but so long the container have pressure, we have enough time to search for an option to stop the flame, before the container is pressureless and flame going in.