At the very beginning, you will see 2 firefighters enter without a hoseline, then a 3rd masks up and enters. There was a hoseline stretched inside the front door, but these guys entered without water during near flashover conditions. It takes almost an entire minute for the line to be charged. Why take the heat and almost DIE? For a crusty coooool helmet? This IS how our LODD's happen.

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Comment by David Sonnen on April 10, 2010 at 12:00am
Looks like this department doesn't get many fires or much training. Hopefully, they will learn a little from this embarrassment.
Comment by TOMMY on September 11, 2009 at 4:32pm
come on guys!!!! some of yor need to get out and join in some current training and realize the fire service is changing...
doing stupid stuff is just that... doing stupid stuff!!!! be safe and live to fight another day...
Comment by David Piasecki on September 10, 2009 at 1:33pm
so chiefs on a line? im thinking should have your firefighters on it and then be in charge of something. not sure if the hose line was up stairs but if it wasnt should have tried or pulled out. very lucky. o yeah someone needs to stand out side to watch for changing conditions. and really 4 people on a hose line?
Comment by Ricky Dale Maddox on May 11, 2009 at 11:03pm
Okay I got to sya something that I am seeing more depts do everyday, the going in thing may have been warrented if there was possible lives at risks inside the house, but you got to look at it this way, there comes a time when no firefighters life is worth the risks of going in a house to try and get a person where condition are already so bad no one could possibly survie , I know this sounds bad.. Instead of going in consider knocking out windows at useing handtools to feel for victims at points where they might escape. There was a good question where was the roof ladder?? Also did the dept consider puting up another ladder in case the vent team got up there and got trapped?? Always have at least 2 ways off a roof!! Also where was the main fire in this and which way was it headeding looked like it started somewhere on the left side and was moving to the right side , it had already probaly made into the attic area when the firefighters went in, thats another thing to think off how long has the fire been up there , the longer its been there the less time you have inside before roof collaspe , did the vent team think off this before they went up?? A line should have went in on the right side and if possible cut the fire off from extending to the right siide if possible and pushed the fire back to the left side.. I see way to many depts push fires through a house by attacking a fire the wrong way!! Remembert when we use water it has O2 also which can give a fire energy and cause it to do the wrong things if not carefull!! Take time to size up and see where the main body of fire is before spraying water and push the fire back from where it came , not the oppisite direction!! I think alot of training officers where I live at is not teaching that!! Try this approach on your next house fires and see if it doesnt pay off!! I have wittensed simple fires that a dept could put out trun into a fully involved fire just because it is not attacked from the side it needs to be pushed back to!!
Comment by Aric Stewart on October 28, 2008 at 7:46pm
where is the roof ladder while they are cutting the hole in the roof why did it take so long to get a hose line charged was there an water supply issue and what in the world are people doing going in without a hose line are they the search and rescue team on the truck whats the deal.
Comment by Jeff Cole on October 17, 2008 at 7:25pm
First, I really hope it wasn't any "training drill" Companies that use live fire for training are just gambling with peoples lives. Fire is fire, training, intentional, or a "real" incident. You cannot predict it safely enough to do such a reckless thing as use live fire, buring dwelling for training. If you do, and someone get's hurt, you deserve jail, and for along time. It's nothing short of planned homicide.
Yes, I think many here either don't understand the concept of truck work, or don't do it and everyone does engine work, where maybe ventilation and the search may, or may not be done rapidly, and "off the line".
Having sad that, I noticed enough steam to indicate a line was operating someplace out of our view.
My concern from whatI see is what ever happened to the basic concept of staying low with the line? This is all too common. You should NOT be standing up, rather down low, and at least crawling on your knees when making entry. Firefighters entering an enviornment like that standing up are either lazy, or require medial basic training.
Comment by Paul on October 17, 2008 at 5:44pm
OMG!!! Why did it take so long to charge that line? From the video is the engine is at a hydrant or a drop tank? Were there a lack of FF's. Who or where was the was the I/C? There are just too many ?'s that need to be answered. The # 1 PRIORITY when on the fire ground is SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY !!!!!!
Comment by capt4021 on October 17, 2008 at 4:10pm
And as for AJ's comment every class ive taking in fire school from basic through fire officer. The truck/rescue company enters the structure to do a search w/o a line. I've been in on several fires without a line to do a search. How do you know they weren't on the truck/rescue co.
Comment by capt4021 on October 17, 2008 at 4:04pm
I understand that was a bonehead thing to do but also, Unless anyone knows the situation and what really happened how can anyone comment on how bad of a job they did. Does anyone know if a line was through the front door. Does anyone know if this was charlie side of the residence and command wasn't on alpha side.
Comment by scott on October 17, 2008 at 1:57pm
good grief . sound like it was a free lance fire . somebody should of stepped up and taken charge . from first arriving truck to most senior fire fighter , safety safety safety , watching this video is hard one to swallow . i think this video should be shown at every fire house every trainee and at fire schools of ones were bringing into this world of ours , saw command officer there what was he doin , fighting fire. not doin what he should be . comand his and other forces .

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