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Would you go into this?
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I bring this up because many departments are straying away from interior firefighting. I know that some do not have the staffing or experience to do it very often, but there are plenty that do. This is a fire that happened at 14 T St NW yesterday in DC. Several reports of heavy smoke and fire showing upon arrival. Rear was almost fully involved. However with an agressive interior attack using 1 1/2" hand lines, they were able to get a knock on the fire and extinguish it within under 10 minutes and save this persons house. Here's a pic after the bulk of the fire on the first floor was knocked down.
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My main point is just to show that aggressive firefighting is still something that should be practiced when possible. Standing outside with a 2 1/2" would have probably meant the loss of this house and possibly others.(These are all row homes which means easy extension) Thought this may get some people thinking and be an interesting discussion.
Story from fire with pics: http://www.dcfire.com/history.html?view=1&id=70519
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Permalink Reply by Kevin on
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Thats a hell of a stop. I would have to agree with Ralph as to the expreience of the first due crews and the incident commander. It seems to me that they went in and getting to the seat of the fire on the second floor and then pushed the fire in the rear porches away from the fire building. You can take aggressive interior firefighting anywhere but you have to trust your training and fellow crew mambers and above all trust the incident commander.
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Permalink Reply by FETC on
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Hey Cap.
Good thread. The safety first one's will save a cellar. This isn't that big of a fire. Would I go in..... absolutely Yes. I suspect ground or deck trash can fire with auto exposure extension. (deck to deck) Interior attack with aggressive search, push it out the back. Exterior operations will only push it through the unburnt portions of the dwelling and further exacerbate the toxins onto any potential victims.
But a good 360 would tell you to go!
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Permalink Reply by Gregory Borg on
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Thanks for the pic's Capcity, when I saw the first picture I thought yes we would go into the front and push it out, just what you did. We use 1-3/4 as an attack line but pretty much the same thing. Did you see the video from San Francisco, another example of an agressive interior attack by an experienced department. The fire extended only to the rooms it was in because they pushed it out the window. Like FETC says, you get between the fire and the unburned portion and push it out. What I see here in Washington is departments like, Seattle, Spokane, Tacoma and Everett doing it the way you do and other smaller city departments looking to us as an example on how to be agressive with engine work, be safe and use their trucks properly. There is a huge interest here with FF from smaller cities and suburban departments wanting to train with us and ride along to see what we do. I am sure you get the same thing. We also have some very forward thinking F.O.O.L.S. chapters that are trying to spread the gosple of interior attack to all the FF's in Washington.
Proper hoseline placement, nozzle selection and hose size is an art developed by experience and training. Just like forcible entry, ventilation and timing of engine and truck work. Keep training, studying and do it right. Thanks again for the lesson. Oh, you forgot to add what color is your helmet and how old is you fire truck:)
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Permalink Reply by Richard Armstrong on
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Our department takes pride in being a very aggresive interior attack.We've been on mutual aid calls where we were like why are ae lobbing water from out here when the fire is in there and we've even been called out by the I.C. from another department because he didn't want us in there.If you can't see it from outside how you gonna put it out.There has been alot lost by not going in so we would rather get in there where you can actually see the fire and hit it with water.this house looks good to go in and it was a nice save but it would have been gone throwin water through a little window tryin to hit fire. good thread Capcity!!!!
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Permalink Reply by Captain Ron on
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The critical part of this operation is a good size up, with a walk around to get a good picture of the area of involvement and direction of fire by the first due Officer.
After that is accomplished...YOU BET!!
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Permalink Reply by Mark Oomkes on
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Would I? You betcha.
Would my chief let me\us? Debatable.
We don't see a lot of fire, but my philosophy has always been a little hard work at the start (interior) will save a lot of long, boring work at the end. I.E. watching the building burn down from the outside while keeping the fire in a smoldering stage because you really can't get at the seat until roof\walls start falling in.
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Permalink Reply by John Crabbe on
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Would we?
Sure, bulk of the fire is exterior on decking, looks like fire may have extended into the cockloft, so that will be a good reason to go inside, especially considering the rowhouse situation.
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Permalink Reply by Davin Eshelman on
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Hell no
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Permalink Reply by John Dobson on
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No, We don't have the water supply here to support this kind of operation.
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john i'm sure that if you had this set up in your town there would be hydrants to support it or are you saying that your department tends to lob it in from the outside
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Yes if we had the water, But we don't have the water for most single story houses (fully involved) with out calling tanker support from other townships. We can supply about one 3 inch line with are hydrants.
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