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Permalink Reply by Oldman on March 2, 2009 at 3:20pm

Stick with the soap and us it as a wetting agent instead of foam. It would be cost prohibitive to attempt to make class A foam. Be aware though, all soaps are not environmentally safe. Check with your State Forestry people to see what is available through them.

BTW it is a foam eductor.

Permalink Reply by Tony P on March 2, 2009 at 7:15pm

CFA stopped using protein style Class B years ago. Foul stuff. AFFF styles in use since then.

Permalink Reply by Tony P on March 2, 2009 at 7:17pm

Or 'inductor', in that it is used to 'induce' foam concentrate into the water flow.

But I still want to know for certain if Coty is talking about Class A or Class B. The idea of using soap implies Class A, but with someone who is unsure about foam anyway (and that's not a criticism Coty, everyone has to learn sometime), I'd like that side cleared up.

Permalink Reply by Chief 29 on March 2, 2009 at 7:56pm

Check out this site. It should answer most of your questions with a little bit of exploration.

http://www.kidde-fire.com/utcfs/Templates/Pages/Template-50/0,8061,...

Without being more spacific your questions are a little opened ended to give the type of answers you might be looking for.

Permalink Reply by Robert on March 2, 2009 at 8:42pm

All of the Departments in our county get together and make bulk purchases. I know that otherwise we are paying around 70 per 5 gallons. As a bulk purchase we pay around 55. That is when the departments as a whole order about 100 gallons each. That lasts us about a year and a half.

Permalink Reply by Coty Shoemaker on March 2, 2009 at 11:07pm

Class A

Permalink Reply by Coty Shoemaker on March 2, 2009 at 11:09pm

I forgot to mention, we wanted to make some just for training purposes, the extra money is worth it for the sake of our safety, but we just don't want to spend a fortune on training, like I said we are a not so well funded rural department. I believe our chief has already ordered a MadDog nozzle, because several have already suggested it.

Permalink Reply by Coty Shoemaker on March 2, 2009 at 11:10pm

it was a mistake on my part, Its not going to be the high expansion foam, My captain mis informed me what to ask about

Permalink Reply by Coty Shoemaker on March 2, 2009 at 11:12pm

We've talked to our sister department, along with a few other neighboring departments in the county, about ordering a bulk supply and distributing it amongst our departments that need foam

Permalink Reply by Coty Shoemaker on March 2, 2009 at 11:19pm

Yes, I'm not very well educated on foam, because we are now one out of two departments in our county that have them. I was just asking on here because My chief, a captain and myself got together trying to figure out a cost effective way to get some cheap for training purposes. and I'm glad you pointed out that about checking with forestry we haven't thought about that yet

Permalink Reply by Tony P on March 3, 2009 at 4:02am

Coty, if you don't know which type of foam concentrate (Class A or B), can you tell me what sort of fires you think it will be used for?

Permalink Reply by Mike Schlags (Captain Busy) Retd on March 3, 2009 at 4:09pm

post clarification:

1. inductor is actually eductor
2. you don't want nor need the liability to "make your own foam" for emergency response, that's just plain crazy,
3. my understanding of your post is that you want to make your own foam for TRAINING purposes only, right?
4. make your own soap and water foam solution and see how this works for you. you can make contact with the various manufacturers to come up with more direction here, but I am sure they will help you out

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