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What apparatus do you bring?
What do apparatus do you bring to a routine fire alarm? Do you charge a line? Do you wear S.C.B.A's? Do you have a minamum number that you can roll with?
What about to crashes? Do you charge a line? Do you bring a engine and a rescue?
What about to crashes? Do you charge a line? Do you bring a engine and a rescue?
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Permalink Reply by Captain Kevin C. Ross on
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Routine Fire Alarm: 2-Engines, 2- Tankers, 2- Heavy Rescues respond in that order All interior FF are in full turnout gear including SCBA's, The nozzleman & backup standby at the truck ready to stretch if so ordered by the officer incharge unless smoke or fire showing then it is automatic stretch. We respond with 4 on the engines, 4 on the rescues, and at least 2 on the tankers. A high life risk building (ex. school, etc.) also has automatic mutual aid response of additional engines, tankers, & rescues.
MVA: 1 Engine, 2 Heavy Rescues, Tankers as needed, automatic mutual aid for paramedic ambulance In that order
Yes a line is charged @ MVA's.
Have a good night. Capt Kevin C. Ross Pembroke, NY Fire Dept
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Permalink Reply by Engineco913 on
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Routine?
Define routine for me. Is it considered routine AFTER you clear the call as a false alarm, or burnt food? I can name at least 12-15 calls in my 15 years that were "routine" and turned out to be anything BUT a routine call.
For a FAA or a BOX, we roll what we have crews for. If a chief or apparatus gets on scene and designates it as a false alarm/faulty trip we scale back and return. It is better to have the troops in motion rather than be yelling to dispatch for a re-tone.
For a MVA we send our Special Hazards (heavy rescue) and an Engine. (occasionally 2 engines) Again if deemed needed, we have additional resources available to send if requested.
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We also DO NOT charge a line unless it's needed. For a MVA we have a trash line off the front bumper (all our handlines are 2 inch) but not charged
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Permalink Reply by PFC Harmon on
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Since my department has a total of one engine, one mini-pumper and one 1972 gmc tanker. On a fire alarm we respond with our engine and a two man crew, if we have the manpower some one stages at the station in case we need the tanker the others respond POV.
MVC- we run our mini-pumper with a crew of two to five people, everyone else stages at the station unless needed. Air packs and charged lines are used if needed.
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Permalink Reply by sully on
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when we paged for a first alarm or fire alarm, have 3 stations where ever the call is. they page out 4 pumper and a ladder truck plus whatever mutual aid deaprments come. but on we dont charge a line but the first in pumper does a scene size up and the second do pumper gets a plug ready and is ready to lay a supply line if need be. and as far as scba they are put on when get into the truck. you never know these daus what kind of call your going too these days.we don't have a man power problom. we have 3 paid 24 hrs stations. plus reserver firefighter. which i am on the reserves. ems and crashes we run a ambluance and a pumper know matter what , just for the man power.
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Permalink Reply by Rob on
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Structure Fire: Initial dispatch is all 4 stations which in theory will get 4 engines (sometimes more with second out engines and a rescue engine, sometimes less if manning is down that day). If it is a working fire absolutely charge a line and wear SCBA. Depending on what we get from our department we may still call a neighboring dept. to get enough manpower to safely respond. In a rural area we will be calling tankers unless it is just a romm and contents that is quickly contained by first arriving crews.
Fire Alarm:
Residential: 2 engines, SCBA, only pull a line if we find cause to do so.
Commercial or Nursing Home: All 4 stations SCBA, and again only pull a line if needed. A couple are equipped with FDC's and stand pipes and in those the FDC gets hooked and the high rise pack at least taken in till we confirm a FA.
Crash: 1 engine, 1 medic, 1 rescue (rescue is an engine with a small amt. of LDH and the space saved is holding extra rescue equipment). Only pull a line if we have to extricate or see cause to do so. SCBA for those on the handline if one is pulled and generally by engine crew till deemed not needed.
Min. Manning: Nope! Unless we are going mutual aid then we must have 3 or not rolling. In district we try to have 3 but there are times where we just do not have the response and will at times roll the first rig with 2. Depending on the call an engine may roll with 1 (all engines also function as tankers so if we need tankers they will certainly roll with whoever is available). Also on low risk investigations (water in the basement, CO without illness, and other such calls) an engine may roll with 1 if nobody else is available.
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AMEN on the "routine"! We had a 44 unit assisted living apartment building that we catch at least 3 FA's a week out of. Try telling your crews to gear up as if it were the real deal. Guys from 3 houses laughed at me. Thank god my station takes it serious every time. Most of teh FA's are burnt food. 3 or 4 years ago we got a dispatch there at 5:30 AM on a general fire alarm. On arrival the usual, no exacuation and noting showing. Upon entry to the second floor heavy smoke about halfway to the floor for the entire length of the hallway. Again ended up being burnt food, but for a few minutes it was a real concern since we could not tell which apartment it was coming from and nobody had exacuated. Average age in this facility is about 65 and nobody moves real quick and some are confined to wheel chairs. Talk about pucker factor as the rest of the crews are gearing up in the parking lot because they thought it was just another FA!
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Permalink Reply by Brian Boeseneilers on
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For day time fire alarms (0500-1900) we roll two in a mini-pumper. At night we roll the on engine with the first two people through the door. The next prople ( if therer are any) roll the second out engine, and there is always a chief. If they find a ''real fire'', they ask for an all call.
MVA's we roll a ambulance and a rescue engine. No lines pulled for any of the above unless there is "real fire"
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Permalink Reply by John on
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Our SOP now states for a residential alarm we send one Apparatus, for a commercial alarm we send an Engine and Ladder plus Battalion. we do put packs on til we know what the scene size up is and then may doff them after finding out. MVA we send a Medic and Engine and Battalion, if we are on the freeway we use two Engines. We don't pull lines til we see actual fire, but have personnel waiting to pull lines.
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What is the difference between a structure fire and a working fire?
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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Engine Company Staffing - Minimum of 3 firefighters, some have 4
Truck Company Staffing - 4
Except for the apparatus operators and tillermen, all crew members are require to don turnout gear and SCBA (except for the mask) for all fire alarms, structural and car fires, and hazmat initial responses.
Situationally-appropriate PPE is required for EMS calls, extrication/technical rescue, and water rescue.
EMS Alpha and Bravo - 1 medic
EMS Charlie and Delta/Code Blue - 1 medic, plus second-closest unit, normally an engine or 2nd medic
Fire Alarms - 2 engines, officers/nozzlemen geared up and in SCBA except for the mask.
Smoke Odor - 1 engine
Residential Structure Fires - 3 engine, 1 truck, 1 medic, 1 battalion chief
Multi-Residential, Commercial, and other High Value Fires - 4 engines, 1 truck, 2 medics, 1 battalion chief
Extrication/Technical Rescue - 1 engine, 1 medic, 1 truck, 1 battalion chief
Working incident - upgraded response with at least 1 additional engine and additional chief/staff officers , rehab bus, air utility, plus utilities, additional law enforcement, and emergency management.
Working hazmat - 1 engine, 1 truck, 1 medic, 1 battalion chief, 1 heavy hazmat, 1 rehab bus, additional chief/staff officers, plus 1 engine and 1 air utility from partner fire-rescue department.
USAR - Extrication/Technical Rescue assignment plus 1 USAR/heavy rescue, 1 rehab bus, additional staff/chief officers, and an air utility. For large incidents or regional deployments we also add an IMT consisting of USAR coordinator, USAR logistics manager, USAR safety officer, and USAR K-9 search tech with a search dog. The USAR team minimum is a USAR team leader and 14 USAR technicians including a safety officer, a logistics tech, and 2 USAR squads. Each USAR squad has a squad leader and 5 USAR techs. Additional support (air utility, EMS, physician, hazmat/decon support, etc.) can be deployed if needed.
Elevator Rescue - 1 engine or truck, 1 medic added if injury or illness reported
CO or gas in a structure - 1 engine, 1 truck, 1 battalion chief, plus 1 or more medics if victims reported
Woods or Grass Fire - 2 engines, 1 large brush tender, 1 battalion chief
COBRA Team deployment - Team of 28, including firefighters, firefighter-paramedics, command officers, law enforcement officers, a communications officer, 2 logistics techs, and 1 or 2 emergency physicians. All team members except for logistics and comms are either hazmat technicians or are hazmat operations personnel with specialty WMD medical or WMD law enforcement training.
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Permalink Reply by chele on
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Most of our routine fire alarms are for grass fires. We generally bring 3 1ton grass rigs, 2 2ton grass rigs, 2 tankers, and the Fire/Rescue/Jaws/Rehab truck. We do not wear SCBA's on a grass fire. There is no minimum number; we try to bring all we can; fires can quickly get out of control in our rugged area so we like to "surround and drown" as quickly as possible. If there is a structure involved out of city limits we also bring the 2 1/2 ton mutual aid pumper. Both the "Jaws" and the mutual aid truck are equipped with SCBA and extra air bottles.
For structure fires in town we respond with the City pumper, our 2 1/2 ton mutual aid pumper, the "Jaws" and usually a grass rig or two shows up also. All personell are required to wear full protective gear and SCBA on a structure fire.
For wrecks we usually respond with the mutual aid pumper (it also has Jaws equipment on it), the "Jaws", and as many grass rigs as possible. We normally charge a line when we respond to a wreck. We do not normally wear SCBA at a wreck.
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