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Traditionalk ERG books vs Computerized versions
I ran into this with another discussion. The placard number given could not be found on a computerized version of an ERG book but it was found in the regular ERG. My point is what does everybody prefer to use. Personally I have both ERG in myh med bag and the computerized version in my computer.
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Permalink Reply by Jason Brooks on
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Are you sure they were the same version. The 2008 ERG had a second printing with some fixes. It is possible that the electronic version is not the same release. Both are useful. You should always use multiple sources anyhow. That does not qualify as multiple sources though, they are the same thing.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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ERG...not every Department can afford an on-board computer in their rig...books are free........
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Permalink Reply by Paul Dudan on
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Everyone should know how to use the book, the computer version is kinda like a luxury. When we first got ours installed the ERG was difficult to open on the computer and just didn't offer the same experience as the book. There's nothing like squinting at a computer screen hoping you see all of the information.
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Do not forget that the ERG is only good for maybe 20-30 minutes of an incident.
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J Brooks....Hey, If I don't have "Mop and Glow" on scene yet (30 minutes)....I am looking to get as far away as I can...we will isolate and contain as much as possible...but beyond that....if I can see it I am too close...
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If that is what you are comfortable with, stick with it. Once the mop and glow pros get there, they will do the rest. But, do not forget that there are things you can do while you are waiting. You can dike and dam away from a spill to keep it somewhat contained. You can use your binoculars to get the necessary information we will need to go to work once we get there. You can start to make calls to the hauler or shipper. I understand a lot of people do not want to get involved with hazmat, there are still a ton of things to do while we are on the way.
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Permalink Reply by Perry Bryant on
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I am taking my final Haz-Mat ops test tomorrow and all we have used are the ERG's.
Our county haz-mat unit has just the ERG but the navy base has the computer version.
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I would go out on a limb and assume that the hazmat team has a lot more than just the ERG.
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Thats what I said lol.
As far as a materials guide such as the ERG they do not have a computerized version.
They do have the wind forecaster for vapors and such as well as some very expensive unknown material analyzers as well as all the other materials such as absorbent, Level A suits, SCBA, dike/dam materials and all of the other standard Haz-mat materials.
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computer version would be nice ....IF...we had the money to but a notebook and have it solely dedicated to the attack engine....but, we donot have that luxury....
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Every one of our dept's engines also have the ERG's, the rescue engine and the Squad have sensors as well.
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Permalink Reply by Mike Schlags (Captain Busy) Retd on
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It's not that a computerized version of the DOT is a bad thing, but to be honest, if you only have one computer then you probably don't want to take up any time using a program that shows you such minimal generic information.
If the book does everything that the computer program does, and the books are free for anyone involved in emergency response [or at least anyone here in California where the Office of Emergency Service (OES) makes sure that folks get what they ask for]. One for each piece of emergency equipment / apparatus. Everyone having their own copy of the ERG ensures that we are all on the same page... pun intended!
CBz
Note: There are (2) two updates / erratas / changes to the 2008 ERG that should be noted.
1. ERRATA on page 16 (English and Spanish), the following placard: UN 1005 Anhydrous
ammonia placard that appears under Guide No. 123 should appear under Guide No. 125.
2. ERRATA on page 144 (English), the following ID No.: 347 that appears in the ID No. column
for the hazardous material entry Petrol and ethanol mixture, with more than 10% ethanol
should read 3475.
You can download the above information that includes explanatory graphics using a PDF format at:
http://www.phmsa.dot.gov/staticfiles/PHMSA/DownloadableFiles/Files/...
If you want to download the computerized versions through the Department of Transportation Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration at:
http://www.phmsa.dot.gov/hazmat/library/erg
And remember that the inside of the ERG is organized to NAG you about hazmat safety & response!
N - Numerical Guides
A - Alphabetical Guides
G - Guides
TCSS,
CBz
(your one-stop hazmat source of information...)
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