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Teaching the New FireFighter....
How many of you have a new person on your dept who has not been through fire school?? Are they the eager beaver type who want to actively participate on scene?? do you let the new person participate on scene with the fire or motor vehicle accident?? here in ohio, it is the chiefs decission to allow or not allow the newbie to participate on scene.. the newbie can actively participate on scene so long as he DOES NOT put on an airpack, opperate apparatus or assist in patient treatment... there is always something for the newbie to do on scene if they are wanting to become involved.. some good examples of having the newbie help are to sit on a hose line and protect surrounding structures, spraying water in a window or on a wall of a structure that is burning, be a gopher for tools, changing air bottles.. so why not let them be part of the scene and learn so long as they are under supervission of a good trainer or officer..
these are just a few ideas to make the new person part of the scene, and if anyone else has any thoughts on tasks the new person can do, please share your ideas..
these are just a few ideas to make the new person part of the scene, and if anyone else has any thoughts on tasks the new person can do, please share your ideas..
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Permalink Reply by Brandon "QTR" Larson on
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We have a new guy that hasn't had any training also. On our dept if you haven't had training you are to stay by the truck and basically be a gopher for tools and you become an expert at hose rolling. We don't usually let them do anything else unless an officer asks them to or has them stay by their side. We just don't them to get hurt doing something that they really don't know how to do in the first place. You learn a lot by just standing back and watching everyone else work.
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Permalink Reply by SgaFemaleFirefighter on
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We use our rooks in much the same way. Scenes can bee a good learning experience for all involved and lord knows, you can always use an extra set of hands.
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Permalink Reply by T.J. on
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Same here, you've got to let them be involved but there needs to be a close eye kept on them at all times, because you DONT want them wondering off or even getting hurt.
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Permalink Reply by Chad Furr on
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You all must be full time paid depts. I am on a small vollie and I had a 2 day state ran class and then off to fightfire. My chief came up to me after our first house fire (2 nights after my classes) and said welcome to the fire world LOL. I guess we do things different out here in the sticks.
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Permalink Reply by Firefighter139 on
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We allow pretty much the same thing , I remember learning quite a bit just being a gopher and watching onscene. We are a vollie dept., also gives them the chance to learn where everything is on the apparatus.
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Permalink Reply by fireman1049 on
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having the newbie be a gopher on scene does help them to learn where tools are on the truck....we even encourage them to sit in on any type of training seminars that they can, so long as they dont do anything with a mask and scba..
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When I was a probie they gave me the chance to do some training with the SCBA on, but it was at a house with artificial smoke. I actually learned quite a bit, and was better prepared for that part of fire class. I feel the more drills and classes you can attend the better. You know what they say about practice makes perfect and the sooner you can instill this in the probies the better.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Acosta on
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our training officers get with the new guy or guys and start right out of the FFI Essentials course. Two new guys started in January and have been through some tough training. We're a volunteer department of 30 and many of us give up weekends to get these guys up to snuff. We need them quickly but we also want them to be safe. Our main training officer works for a full time department also and he helps out by bringing down some of his guys to not train the new guys but refresh us old one as well.
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Permalink Reply by Keggster on
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I'm from a small rural volunteer dept., we don't let rookies do anything they have not been trained for (a state class). We will do in house training but new people are made aware that they are not to do anything on a fire scene unless directed to by an officer and then only with said officer. We use them as gophers as well and they are a big help when cleaning up after a fire. With that said even after they have taken a scene support class (this is a basic 27 hour class over 2 week period), they can only assist on fire scene with setting up trucks, getting tools, pulling hose, etc. They can not wear a PAK or do any fire fighting until they have completed a 86 hr FF1 state class. FF1 classes and scene support are generally held twice a yr (spring and fall) so depending upon time newbie joins, it could be 6 months before they can even think about fighting a fire. Alot of this still depends upon Chief's blessing even after they complete training. We require additional in-house PAK trianing before they are cleared. My point is that even with proper training it still falls on the Chief to make the call. He will be the one that'll take the heat if someone get's hurt with or without proper training. I trust you'll contiue taking more classes and keep up the good work.
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Permalink Reply by Kimberly A Bownas on
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In my department a Newbie must take a scene support class till they can get into a FF1 class. If they come to a call they are to stay with the truck and help out the driver of the rig with whatever they need. It benefits the newbie because they get to know where stuff is on the rigs. The newbies are not allowed near the burning structure or the vehicle at an accident. If they get hurt there will be problems then cause they didn't have the proper training that they are suppose to have. It is great to have them there for the clean up of the hose and getting it re racked on the rigs and getting all the other equipment put away.
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Permalink Reply by Cody W. Nelson on
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To be hired on my dept. you must be a certified firefighter and at least an EMT-B. I do have to say though, just because someone is trained on paper, doesn't mean that they can do the job. It is our job as mentors to show the new people coming into this service how to do things. I know I was green as could be at one time, and I lucked out and had several "older" folks that wanted to make sure I was safe in whatever I did. Take the new guys under you wing, show him how you handle situations and try to get his or her feet wet. You never know, you could learn something in that process also. Great Topic and stay safe!!
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