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Now I don't know exactlly what is going on here, but just from the photo I would guess that they are pushing the limits of this porch. It appears that the building is of an advanced age the possibility of some rotten members are good.
Since there are firefighters on this roof and the brick is black, I am guessing that the building had a fire in it. Some have tanks on, som don't, but it looks like the major body of fire is knocked down. Back to the porch, does anyone else have an issue with this? I wasn't there, but we need to consider these things. You can see another firefighter on ground, below the porch and what might be a police officer actually under the porch canopy. We have had porches collapse at fires and seriosly injure firefighters and we have had overhangs kill our people.
Do we need all of those people on that porch, and if we do, we should probably not have anyone under it. Just be aware of your surroundings. We all have a role in scene safety and should be empowered to point these issues out to keep everyone safe. Stay safe and train hard.
Since there are firefighters on this roof and the brick is black, I am guessing that the building had a fire in it. Some have tanks on, som don't, but it looks like the major body of fire is knocked down. Back to the porch, does anyone else have an issue with this? I wasn't there, but we need to consider these things. You can see another firefighter on ground, below the porch and what might be a police officer actually under the porch canopy. We have had porches collapse at fires and seriosly injure firefighters and we have had overhangs kill our people.
Do we need all of those people on that porch, and if we do, we should probably not have anyone under it. Just be aware of your surroundings. We all have a role in scene safety and should be empowered to point these issues out to keep everyone safe. Stay safe and train hard.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Montpetit on
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Damn, still can't find that contact lens........
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Permalink Reply by Jason Hoevelmann on
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I like that. I got nothing. : )
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Permalink Reply by Reg Mathis on
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hey Jason,
Not trying to pick a fight, but I would tend to disagree with most of your assessment. This is not a "porch roof". This is a balcony. There are two exterior doorways which allow access to the deck area, and if you look closely, one of the exposed floor joists is a 4x6 beam. Just guessing, but I would bet all the joists are 4x6. I would hazard a guess that this structure is not at 30% capacity with the current load. They don't build them like this anymore!
Anyway, I would also venture to guess that the body of the balcony is secured to the brick wall with 3/4" bolts going through the brick load-bearing wall. Judging by the two different address numbers on the columns, this is/was a duplex apartment with a shared balcony on the second floor, hence the two doors so close together on A-side, zone 2.
The only real safety concern I have based on this picture is the FF to the extreme right. He is very near the edge of the deck with no railing and is tending a charged line which could easily buck and knock him off the structure.
That's my assessment!
TCSS
Reg
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You could be right, but the way the rest of the building looks, which is for sure just a perspective, I would not put a great deal of faith in the porch/balcony. Even if had originally been secured to the brick wall, we have seen other overhang/balconies/porches fail under these situations before.
But thanks for the different view point.
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Reg...looks like there may be some fire damage to the deck....not sure without being there but sure enoght that I think of few of these guys could be removed without jeopardizing the mission at this point......Paul
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Permalink Reply by Oldman on
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My question would be; what happened to the overhang over the balcony? The anchor struts are there, and I don't see a saw. If a fire was intense enough to loose the balcony overhang, might we even have issues with the brick facade?
My impression though is that this is a training burn, and the overhang was removed before the fire. However, I think that while the balcony is probably still structural, safe fireground operations should still dictate that;
1. We don't need that many people up there,
2. we don't need the people underneath, and
3. there should be at least one ladder in place.
But that is just my opinion.
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Permalink Reply by Derek R. on
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HEY,, who's that coming down the road? Oh, that's just Murphy coming to pay a visit.
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Permalink Reply by WestPhilly on
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Fellas,
Let's not go crazy over this picture. There are more FF's than necessary on this roof for whatever task it is they're performing. But that's it. They don't need scba (not even a wisp of smoke), they don't need a ladder (just use one of the four handy openings there and walk right into the building) and they don't need to worry about the structural integrity of the building or roof for about another hundred years.
Other than that, I hope they found the contact lens Paul was talking about.
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Permalink Reply by Michael C. Harrison on
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I am surprised no one took issue with firefighters wearing non matching turnout gear.....seriously, if you want pictures to whine, cry and nit-pick over, you could do MUCH better.
OMG....someone is standing OUTSIDE with no airpak on (while the rest of the people wearing them aren't wearing their facepieces....maybe because they too, are outside)
OMG....someone INSIDE isn't wearing his facepiece (even though there appears to be no reason to have it on.......HOW DARE HE)
OMG....someone is standing on the front porch under the overhang (maybe he should climb thru a 1st floor window instead of using the front door)
And the most disgusting thing of all......I don't see one person utilizing a thermal imager outside....how dare they
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Permalink Reply by Roy Walker on
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My thought on this is it looks more like a staging area than the fire ground and staging surely can be on the ground in a safe zone.
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