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How Many Departments Still Use 10 codes? Can You Talk to Police on Your Radios?
We were taught not to use 10 codes. Are dispatch still uses them to talk to PD so alot of our pages they use them. I know a few 1070 1050PI or 1050PD stuff like that. But it throws me for a loop at times. I feel like an idoit asking for the meaning on the radio but I do ask. I thought I should learn them But was told no by a chief officer on are department. He said they should not be using them anymore. We don't even have a up to date list anyway.
I did not think to be NIMS compliant they could be using them at dispatch?
I thought it was suppose to be Plain Language has something changed?
While on the radio subject we can not talk to any police dept. They did not want there talk groups on are radios. This is a sore spot with me. When paged we are all suppose to go to a tac channel. But the LEOs don't, They say they can't hear if another LEO calls for help somewhere else. We have to relay though central if there busy it takes time. I believe this will get someone hurt or killed someday praying I am wrong.
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Permalink Reply by Gregory Borg on
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No 10 codes here. We do use A,B,C,D and E for EMS, and use the term 'code' for lights and siren and 'no code' for no lights or siren. Other than that we use plain language. We cannot talk to the police, nor them to us.
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Permalink Reply by Butch Garber on
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We were taught to not use 10 codes...however the older people on the department are having a really hard time not using them. They have used them for so long it is a hard habit to break. About the only 10 code we use is 10-4.
As for radios, we have law enforcement on our portable radios so we can listen but we cannot speak directly to them except in a truck. We need to go through dispatch. When on a scene we go directly to a tac channel but the officers and the trucks are listening to both. As for the safety, we have never had a problem, luckily. A mayday will instantly stop all other traffic.
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Permalink Reply by Timothy D. Stone Jr on
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We still use 10 codes. But we also use plain talk its kinda up to that dispatcher and the units hes talking to. We can talk to our police if we need to ither by going threw dispatch or going on there channel.
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Permalink Reply by Michael D Painter on
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Most departments around here feel about NIMS the way the did about ICS 25 years ago. (But that is another soapbox)
I fully agree with and understand why 10 codes should be eliminated but they could save a lot of chatter.
10-98, 10-19, 10-10.
In plain code: " I've finished my last assignment, I'm returning to the station, and I am off-duty."
But they could also be confusing if you didn't quite catch the number. 11-44 was a mortuary case and 11-54 was a clogged sewer.
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Permalink Reply by Paul Doyle on
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Im always in favor of clear concise speech and the 10 codes dont fit in that for me.
As a small volunteer department we do not have enough practice to be comfortabble with trying to remember codes.
Our radios also can can contact our Sheriffs department directly and our county road crews along with several other mutual aid department frequency's
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Permalink Reply by Christine Robin Honaker on
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I know the feeling. We can talk to our Police Dept. but talking to State Police is another thing, they don't want anyone know ing what they are talking about. Another, sore spot for me is; I feel that everyone on the dept should have a radio or at least have one to take in a fire with you...In our dept if you are not in the in crowd then you don't get a radio, and if you are on a scene then you hope the person that you are with has one. I don't understand why higher ups put their Firefighters lives in danger like that.
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Permalink Reply by Norm Tindell on
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We never communicate directly with law enforcement -- only through dispatch. Use of any codes is not allowed under NIMS. Our state's division of emergency management is actively enforcing that now. We must use plain English. If a dispatcher slips up, we give them a hard time by asking, "What does that mean?"
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Permalink Reply by Michael Meadows on
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In Bell county we don't use 10 codes much but we recently went away from them so a lot of people still use them. About the only ones dispatch will use is 10-45 (accident without injury), 10-46 (accident with injury) and 10-99 (coroner). In Harlan county where I work EMS at we are also moving away from 10 codes but again it takes time to get everyone on board. In Bell county we don't talk to law enforcement but in Harlan county the state police post is our 911 system. While Harlan EMS has our own dispatchers, our 911 calls come in from post and they do monitor our radio traffic on our frequency. Same way with the other EMS company in Harlan county their radio traffic is also monitored by post. In an emergency we can commucate with each other but we don't do it on a routine basis only in an emergency.
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Permalink Reply by Russ on
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law enforcement needs to keep their codes and signals so that they can talk in front of suspects in semi secret. its a offcier safety thing. most of the FD"s here have gone plain english which is a good thing
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Permalink Reply by Gilles Dionne on
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in our area we can't talk directly to the police (they do noy want to). we use 10 code but we do't know it all. the good thing about 10 code is, plain language is sometime longer than 10 code.
good day
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Permalink Reply by Al "Top" Styles on
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Ah the subject that tends to have everyone asking hmmmm....
If your dept, dispatch, law enforcement are "truly” NIMA compliant, than the only 10 code that should be used is 10-4 (and that is dwindling away). Here we use plain language except for some EMS related codes, i.e. “Med 1” (emergency EMS call), “Med 2” (non emergency EMS call), “Class 1” (full arrest). Otherwise our dispatchers and all the departments on our frequency (15 total FD’s) all talk in normal language.
This eliminates a lot of confusion and allows for clear and concise communication, which we all know is paramount for good incident management. Hope this helps, stay safe bro.
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