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Bin Laden's Death. How do you feel about it?
Bin Laden's Death.. how do you feel about and what are some of your thoughts on everything that is happing?
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Permalink Reply by Joshua-Paul Gardner on
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Not all Aussies are hot, just a select few of us, hahaha
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Permalink Reply by Jack/dt on
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bin laden's aim was to destroy the u.s. through a consolidation of a variety of splinter groups with overlapping goals. With obl removed, the revenue stream from his personal wealth and his leadership is removed. But all this really means is that his cult of personality has been eliminated; the risk of terrorist attacks in the u.s. or against u.s. interests is still present, maybe only slightly reduced.
To think that there will be no more attempts is at best naive and at worst, ignorant. U.S. interventions in the muslim world is seen as an affront to certain extremist groups, which further plays on the ignorance of uneducated but (quite likely) well meaning, hard working people whose only source of information is whatever they hear from their religious leaders.
The lesson to be learned here is that anytime there is a confluence of ignorance and religion, violence is a most assured outcome. Waging war on the basis of religious belief (which is what obl was doing) has never come to a good end. Education is the best weapon.
Public celebration of any killing is anathema to what we, as a nation are supposed to reflect, even more so for those that subscribe to a religious belief that killing is wrong. As touched on by a previous poster, the (scattered) celebration of some muslims on 9/11 angered and horrified americans, yet for those celebrants they saw the attack on the WTC as revenge against the wrongs perpetrated against them by a nation that was both out to get them and ideologically opposed to them. Where would those people ever have gotten THAT idea? Can you say, 'religious leaders?'
Am I opposed to the actions to take out obl? Not at all. 'He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.' Clearly obl et. al. had no respect for human life and have indiscriminately killed non-combatants, women and children; all proscribed against. But to publicly celebrate the killing (or any killing) as if it were a super bowl win shows us to be little different than those that celebrated the 9/11 attack.
Self defense is never wrong, but defending ones self against a deadly attack, while both legal and moral should never be an excuse for high-fiving and chest thumping. Unless, of course, you see war and killing as a sporting event. Or as divinely inspired. And therein lies the problem.
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Permalink Reply by Andrew on
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I am partial regarding this matter. On one hand I am happy - he truly deserved what he got. He deserved to be riddled with bullets, or even worse.
However, as a nation, we've progressed so far. We've evolved, and I think that we're better than celebrating the death of anyone, no matter what horrid things they have done and said.
I am happy for the friends and families of victims, though, and that many of them have found closure from this.
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Permalink Reply by Gregory Borg on
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No, not at all. But I think I am believing this.
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What would be gained by "claiming" that bin laden was killed if he wasn't?
If there were something tangible to be gained, why wasn't it claimed earlier, perhaps even, in another administration?
But for some, they won't be happy until the Long Form Death Certificate is released. And even then, some won't believe until Douche Bag Trump reviews and approves it.
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Permalink Reply by Fabulous Heather Days of Summer on
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WHAT? THIS IS SHOCKING NEWS!!!
They are not all from the thunder-down-under...
oh well... it must be they are all happy and HUMBLE then...
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Permalink Reply by Mark Oomkes on
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Well said Jack.
I would suggest that OBL in many ways did win, and did destroy the US.
The Patriot Act violates the Constitution.
TSA violates the Constitution and one's person. All the while making the rest of the world laugh at us because we feel up a 6 YO child and yank someone's colostomy bag off while any number of real, potential terrorists are boarding.
Our economy has tanked, dollar is worth virtually nothing.
Thousands of lives have been lost when it took 1 SEAL team, some CIA operatives and intelligence to take him out. Not billions spent on policing actions in foreign countries.
I'm not saying some of it wasn't necessary, but much of it was unnecessary.
I'm glad he's dead as well, no 2 ways about it.
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin
I wouldn't say obl won, by any means, nor has the U.S. been destroyed.
As Jefferson pointed out, 'The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.'
I believe the Patriot Act (George Orwell comes immediately to mind) does violate the constitution, the TSA, maybe not so much. Our freedom to travel hasn't been impinged, only via a specific means. Nor does the TSA necessarily violate the right to unreasonable searches, a person does have the option to pass through the scanner(s) instead of a pat down (or travel by other means). I think the issue with pat downs is an intentional thing done to prove some vague, ideological tea bag point.
I can tell you that one dollar is worth ~ .77 euros ($1.3-€1). It's not worthless, simply a bit devalued, it's cyclic. Remember when the dollar was worth so little the japanese were buying u.s. real estate like it was monopoly properties? People were freaking out that the country that attacked Pearl Harbor was now going to buy up and own our country. How did that turn out?
If George II could have found and taken out obl most assuredly he would have and carved a notch on his Red Ryder BB gun. Finding him was the problem, as evidenced by recent reports, taking him out was not.
I always thought that going into afghanistan was a correct action, going into iraq was a major blunder. And there were those that seriously wanted us to go into iran, and for what? A red herring of WMD's with the goal of oil.
Things ain't perfect and they can certainly be better, but the reality is that (outside of obl, perhaps) no one person is responsible for any of our present issues. It's a cumulative thing. But so far as I've been able to figure, the only way to get better is to screw up. That's the nice thing about our country, we screw up regularly and eventually find ways to fix our screw ups.
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Permalink Reply by Ben Waller on
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Seal Team 6 was disbanded in 1987.
{Wink, wink, nod, nod, saynomore, saynomore.}
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Permalink Reply by Norm Tindell on
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SEAL Team 6 was dissolved in 1987. The operators of SEAL Team Six established the United States Naval Special Warfare Development Group, also known as DEVGRU. While DEVGRU is administratively supported by Naval Special Warfare Command, they are operationally under the command of the Joint Special Operations Command. Thanks, Ben. Now we know the REAL TRUTH. Are they still good guys?
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I sort of wanted to see the proof, but I agree the release of photos and/or video of OBL dead might motivate those who would engage in terrorism. He's being martyred by radicals anyway.
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Norm, that was a tongue-in-cheek poke at my buddy BZ.
For those who may not know the current terminology, they are one of two Tier 1 counter-terror special operations units, with Delta Force being the other. The main difference seems to be that the SEALS, as a group, are better swimmers.
And...of course they are the good guys, regardless of what the Navy currently calls them.
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