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its 3:30am your pager goes off...."working structure fire , unknown occupants..two story residential a frame dwelling called in by passer by"
heavy smoke in area
what would u do from your point of view (rank/role or position)
heavy smoke in area
what would u do from your point of view (rank/role or position)
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Permalink Reply by Reg Mathis on
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I'd get up and get ready for a long morning. As a vollie in a rural department, I'm (on average), 15-20 minutes out on this page, so upon arrival I'm expecting assignment as support and overhaul.
So...
1. Check in with IC to see where I'm needed.
2. If not immediately needed for assignment, grab a couple of salvage covers and fold up a catch all and prep for o/h.
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Permalink Reply by FF Schoen on
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I would jump out of bed and bunker up. Jump in the back of the engine and pack up and get ready to roll. Being ready for a long time out
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Permalink Reply by Wes Anders on
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Well get to station get geared up make sure we roll the engine, equipment van, listen for how many are responding to see if I should call for mutual aid then get to the scene in the first or second unit. Try to do a quick size up find out if there needs to be a search start to attack the fire make a more through size up decide if mutual is going to be needed.
This is just a guess cause it always works out different every page.
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Permalink Reply by James R. Heath on
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wow, same here it takes me about 17 minutes to get just to the station from my location so unless its a working fire an there waiting for a full crew i just head to the incident. about how many miles does your district cover?
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Permalink Reply by firechief911 on
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im a little closer than the other guys that have commented . but i would hope we would have more info on occupants, by the time we get to scene. if its working structure fire as we call them may already be to late for rescue opps but we arent there yet . would have to see whats next
but if your 15 to 20 minites out your rescue opps are not happening most likly it would be externial opps here if it had 20 min head start if it was turned in by passer by it already had a good 10 min. head start befor call. thats just the way it happens here most times .with that kinda head start.
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Permalink Reply by Mike Schlags (Captain Busy) Retd on
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"its 3:30am your pager goes off...."working structure fire , unknown occupants..two story residential a frame dwelling called in by passer by... heavy smoke in area"
Now I know that my perspective on this is going to be totally different because I work for a 16 station county department. But it still should be interesting to compare how we do business...
If the initial dispatch is just to me, a single engine company resource, I would call for an upgrade to a 1st alarm structure assignment which includes a minimum of (3) engines, (1) air lighting unit, (1) water tender (dependent on location), (1) truck company and (1) battalion chief. As soon as I hear that there is a greater than 50% chance that we have a working fire, I would ask for a 2nd alarm and direct the assignment to stage at a specific location. Where I work, it is very rural and backup engines are over 1/2 hour away. It's better to get resources moving to your direction as soon as possible. You can always return them, no harm / no foul.
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Permalink Reply by mike wright on
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As a rural department we would put three other departments on stand by or in route. This would give us our attack engine and tanker. Plus from the other depts we would have four engines, four tankers, and an air truck. Plus full department personal. This would give us enough for a RIT team and search and rescue, with multiple attack teams. This may not be the way some people would do it but here it works for us. We have to do water shuttle here with no hydrants near by.
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it works just about the same here, im on two different volunteer fire departments an for one its rural the other its about 6minutes away from me the other 16 minutes but i think your tactics are something some people i know need to study lol
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almost the same here, we tone out two departments along with the first due then depending on if its working or a false then we conssider another department .
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i completely agree
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yea it is, especialy if theres not much info
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Fire officers or officer candidates studying about response to an incident in addition to the requesting of resources have to do the following, in this order...
Size Up
Establish Command / Name the Incident
Ask or Assistance (we covered this above)
Determine once on scene if a Rescue needs to be accomplished
Isolate the incident from hurting anyone else
Evacuate or shelter in place if people can get hurt
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Find a person responsible or a liaison that knows the facility or something about the problem
Identify the hazard or the material involved, from a distance if dangerous and using binoculars and reference materials
Always remember to stage responding equipment, you can always turn them back and don't forget about Safety!
By the way, you can memorize this approach... SCARIE-PMS
This is the acronym I came up with to help me resolve ANY incident. I hope it works for any of you trying to develop your own style and command presence.
So now that I've shared my secret acronym, how would you deal with this incident? Oh yea, it's fueled by CNG... What are you going to do?
"Control, Engine 18 on scene, we have a fully involved commerical bus, keep the balance of the assignment responding to this incident. I'd like to take this incident to Channel 3 which will be command and state white channel 7 for tactical. This will be the bus incident, Captain 18 will be bus command."
At this point, I am done talking to dispatch, the key here is to get on the radio and get off the main dispatch channel for us and go to another frequency. Once done giving our dispatch center a general idea of what's going on, I then communicate directly with the battalion chief.
"Battalion 512, Bus Command..." "We have a fully involved commercial bus that is fueled by CNG, there is no apparent life hazard, all the occupants have been safely evacuated by the driver prior to our arrival, we need the highway shut down in both directions and traffic control, I'd like to have a water tender respond and stage with Engine 11 1/2-mile south of the incident and Engine 14 stage 1/2-mile North of the incident. My concern chief is that the CNG container may explode so we are going to let this burn out and keep an eye on the area to make sure we don't loose this thing if it get's into the brush. I'd like an investigator to respond and to activate a Code 20 (notify the media). or something like that...
TCSS, Mike from Santa Barbara
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